777 Partners - New Poll Added 18/10/23

[allen]

Agree on Pl. They are not helping here at all and need to call it - fit or unfit owners !
The poll on here answers the question

I'd be interested to see the poll rerun today.

A lot - and, also, nothing - has happened since the poll closed in October.

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

Agree on Pl. They are not helping here at all and need to call it - fit or unfit owners !
The poll on here answers the question

It’s not the PL who are causing any delay here , it’s the fact that 777 don’t have the money to buy us.
They have spent 8months trying to either bluff their way past the financial requirements or scrabble it together from third parties.
The PL are not the problem here, 777 , Moshiri and now MSP are the cause of the purgatorial miasma we currently exist in.

 

[Khalekan]

We’ll be top scorers in some reverse game where the objective is to concede

 

[Saint Domingo]

Just want a resolution to all this. Fed up of us being the most tragic boring club in the PL stuck in this never ending purgatory.


- No money for a decade under Moyes a good manager, as soon as he goes we get a billionaire for a succession of rubbish managers
- we come 4th but it’s not automatic qualification and it’s same season 5 English teams are in. Now it is automatic
we finished 6th/7th multiple times to find domestic cups both won by non European teams, now European qualification goes down half the table and non European teams don’t win anything
- Rooney arrives just in the period between two decent Everton teams he could have elevated
- we get an Uzbekistan billionaire to sponsor us through financial fair play - there’s a war in Ukraine
It’s ok though because we have another billionaire - PS&R means he can’t spend on transfers anyway
- we are one of two teams with players banned for diving, rule is now repealed
-we get an 8 point deduction from a rule that will probably be repealed in a season or so.

We’ve made loads of our own mistakes of course (before everyone jumps on this) but Everton have an absolutely amazing habit of just always being wrong place wrong time for everything.

In a parallel universe David Moyes picks us up, has us qualifying for Europe, Wayne Rooney comes along, we get fourth (guaranteed qualification) and a Billionaire buys us and ploughs a load of money in before the days of PS&R (including getting kings dock) and without doing too much differently we’re in the elite of English football easily.

 

[hallamblue]

Just want a resolution to all this. Fed up of us being the most tragic boring club in the PL stuck in this never ending purgatory.


- No money for a decade under Moyes a good manager, as soon as he goes we get a billionaire for a succession of rubbish managers
- we come 4th but it’s not automatic qualification and it’s same season 5 English teams are in. Now it is automatic
we finished 6th/7th multiple times to find domestic cups both won by non European teams, now European qualification goes down half the table and non European teams don’t win anything
- Rooney arrives just in the period between two decent Everton teams he could have elevated
- we get an Uzbekistan billionaire to sponsor us through financial fair play - there’s a war in Ukraine
It’s ok though because we have another billionaire - PS&R means he can’t spend on transfers anyway
- we are one of two teams with players banned for diving, rule is now repealed
-we get an 8 point deduction from a rule that will probably be repealed in a season or so.

We’ve made loads of our own mistakes of course (before everyone jumps on this) but Everton have an absolutely amazing habit of just always being wrong place wrong time for everything.

In a parallel universe David Moyes picks us up, has us qualifying for Europe, Wayne Rooney comes along, we get fourth (guaranteed qualification) and a Billionaire buys us and ploughs a load of money in before the days of PS&R (including getting kings dock) and without doing too much differently we’re in the elite of English football easily.

The trick is to be a well run club that can take advantage of situations that arrive. We haven't had that since John Moores left.

 

[brucemate]

The trick is to be a well run club that can take advantage of situations that arrive. We haven't had that since John Moores left.

There are degrees of not being well run and unfortunately we ended up with Kenwright.

 

[Saint Domingo]

The trick is to be a well run club that can take advantage of situations that arrive. We haven't had that since John Moores left.

That also, we haven’t been well run.

Even so though, some of those factors are outside our control. Even just one changing (auto qualification for 4th in the league) could have completely changed the history of the club under Moyes.

In more recent times, even with every mistake we’ve made, we’re not in the complete mess we now are in without the war in Ukraine. USM would have sponsored something else and rightly or wrongly we wouldn’t have the crippling cash issue we now have.

 

[jamieni]

The trick is to be a well run club that can take advantage of situations that arrive. We haven't had that since John Moores left.

True. It’s been a shambles for years and that has led to us being unable to take advantage of a billionaire arriving. If Moshiri’s money had been spent wisely when he first arrived then we’d probably have cemented our place in the top 6 or 7 of the league.

Club needs a reset and to develop a medium to long term strategy to progress. We as fans need to be patient as long as there are signs the club is beginning to turn around. At the minute it’s just free fall.

 

[hallamblue]

That also, we haven’t been well run.

Even so though, some of those factors are outside our control. Even just one changing (auto qualification for 4th in the league) could have completely changed the history of the club under Moyes.

In more recent times, even with every mistake we’ve made, we’re not in the complete mess we now are in without the war in Ukraine. USM would have sponsored something else and rightly or wrongly we wouldn’t have the crippling cash issue we now have.

We wouldn't have been in quite as big a mess. But if Moshiri had brought people in who knew what they were doing it would have been ok. If Newcastle's owners were sanctioned tomorrow they could sell most of the players they've bought for at least what they paid as they've signed young players with promise not older players on massive wages looking for a payday.

 

[Saint Domingo]

We wouldn't have been in quite as big a mess. But if Moshiri had brought people in who knew what they were doing it would have been ok. If Newcastle's owners were sanctioned tomorrow they could sell most of the players they've bought for at least what they paid as they've signed young players with promise not older players on massive wages looking for a payday.

I’m not saying we haven’t been a shambles in almost everything, but it’s also been compounded by rotten timing of external events and bad luck in almost everything at almost everyday turn

Even some of those signings. Gbamin, Bolasie, Dele, Gomes, DvB, Tosun, just completely crocked. No value on the price or off the pitch from any of them whatsoever due focus rippling injuries. Then Siggurdson also leaves the club for nothing for alleged reasons. There’s bad recruitment of course but you don’t need all this, even poor players can be sold to get them off the books but you can’t do anything with crocked players, they’re career killers.

 

[Tony’s Carp]

I've tried to bite my tongue a bit but here we have another Guardian article referencing the Esk describing us as basically uninvestible. Hot on the heels of yesterdays "anonymous source" in the Telegraph, who spoke exactly like the Esk, describing us as being on the brink of administration, in the exact same terms as his numerous blogs on the subject.

This is dangerous and harmful stuff. Perception is very important. He might not be able to influence mega investors who will form their own view, but who is going to want to do basic business with a club that "prominent supporters" (yawn) think could imminently go into administration. What player is going to sign, what club is going to offer payment terms? And yet here is one of our own fans dong more work than the likes of Matt Hughes to create the perception of a club going under.

No one should ignore the possibility of course, but in terms of being "on the brink" well there have been none of the serious red flags, no bills or wages or tax unpaid, so who or what does it serve to create that perception? It gets one man, who states his opinions as facts, in the papers. It does not benefit Everton FC.

Everton on the brink: questions over club’s finances are more urgent than ever

Time taken for Farhad Moshiri to attract new investors may have made a viable solution harder to find

www.theguardian.com

 

[allen]

I've tried to bite my tongue a bit but here we have another Guardian article referencing the Esk describing us as basically uninvestible. Hot on the heels of yesterdays "anonymous source" in the Telegraph, who spoke exactly like the Esk, describing us as being on the brink of administration, in the exact same terms as his numerous blogs on the subject.

This is dangerous and harmful stuff. Perception is very important. He might not be able to influence mega investors who will form their own view, but who is going to want to do basic business with a club that "prominent supporters" (yawn) think could imminently go into administration. What player is going to sign, what club is going to offer payment terms? And yet here is one of our own fans dong more work than the likes of Matt Hughes to create the perception of a club going under.

No one should ignore the possibility of course, but in terms of being "on the brink" well there have been none of the serious red flags, no bills or wages or tax unpaid, so who or what does it serve to create that perception? It gets one man, who states his opinions as facts, in the papers. It does not benefit Everton FC.

Everton on the brink: questions over club’s finances are more urgent than ever

Time taken for Farhad Moshiri to attract new investors may have made a viable solution harder to find

www.theguardian.com

Yeah, I agree.

While he may be someone who understands corporate affairs at a level beyond most punters, it doesn’t make him a reliable source for what’s happening with Everton.

He speaks definitively about things that are not definitive. As his multiple bad calls over the years have shown.

He’s also not party to any of the discussions surrounding our financing. He doesn’t know what’s left in the tap.

 

[jamieni]

We wouldn't have been in quite as big a mess. But if Moshiri had brought people in who knew what they were doing it would have been ok. If Newcastle's owners were sanctioned tomorrow they could sell most of the players they've bought for at least what they paid as they've signed young players with promise not older players on massive wages looking for a payday.

I think Moshiri did bring in people who knew what they were doing. Then ran roughshod over them and made his own crazy decisions and the various DoFs and managers got the boot as scapegoats. When you look into just how dysfunctional it all seemed to be between Moshiri and BK I do feel sympathy for the various DoFs and managers getting bizarre signings foisted on them.

 

[dublinbluenose]

I've tried to bite my tongue a bit but here we have another Guardian article referencing the Esk describing us as basically uninvestible. Hot on the heels of yesterdays "anonymous source" in the Telegraph, who spoke exactly like the Esk, describing us as being on the brink of administration, in the exact same terms as his numerous blogs on the subject.

This is dangerous and harmful stuff. Perception is very important. He might not be able to influence mega investors who will form their own view, but who is going to want to do basic business with a club that "prominent supporters" (yawn) think could imminently go into administration. What player is going to sign, what club is going to offer payment terms? And yet here is one of our own fans dong more work than the likes of Matt Hughes to create the perception of a club going under.

No one should ignore the possibility of course, but in terms of being "on the brink" well there have been none of the serious red flags, no bills or wages or tax unpaid, so who or what does it serve to create that perception? It gets one man, who states his opinions as facts, in the papers. It does not benefit Everton FC.

Everton on the brink: questions over club’s finances are more urgent than ever

Time taken for Farhad Moshiri to attract new investors may have made a viable solution harder to find

www.theguardian.com

We're relying on high interest loans month to month. I'd suggest that indicates we're close to the edge.

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

Just want a resolution to all this. Fed up of us being the most tragic boring club in the PL stuck in this never ending purgatory.


- No money for a decade under Moyes a good manager, as soon as he goes we get a billionaire for a succession of rubbish managers
- we come 4th but it’s not automatic qualification and it’s same season 5 English teams are in. Now it is automatic
we finished 6th/7th multiple times to find domestic cups both won by non European teams, now European qualification goes down half the table and non European teams don’t win anything
- Rooney arrives just in the period between two decent Everton teams he could have elevated
- we get an Uzbekistan billionaire to sponsor us through financial fair play - there’s a war in Ukraine
It’s ok though because we have another billionaire - PS&R means he can’t spend on transfers anyway
- we are one of two teams with players banned for diving, rule is now repealed
-we get an 8 point deduction from a rule that will probably be repealed in a season or so.

We’ve made loads of our own mistakes of course (before everyone jumps on this) but Everton have an absolutely amazing habit of just always being wrong place wrong time for everything.

In a parallel universe David Moyes picks us up, has us qualifying for Europe, Wayne Rooney comes along, we get fourth (guaranteed qualification) and a Billionaire buys us and ploughs a load of money in before the days of PS&R (including getting kings dock) and without doing too much differently we’re in the elite of English football easily.

Two of our title wins were achieved on the eve of two World Wars .
We are fated to always be on the downside even when we’re on the up.