New Everton Stadium Discussion

mightymoyes said:
how would safe standing increase the capacity? pretty sure its 1:1 ratio to the seating
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"Firstly, safe standing in a football stadium provides a more efficient use of space. By replacing traditional seating with rail seats, clubs can increase capacity without having to expand their stadium.23 Feb 2023"
 

BNJ1878 said:
It's all guesswork until the legislation actually changes.

I'm sure I read somewhere the size/space of the steps between seat rows (and the concourse behind which is also a factor) allows for up to a 1.8/1 increase IF legislation allows.
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For it to be 1.8:1 they would've had to go to bigger treads than they have. They're only 750mm. That equates to 1.3 to 1.5:1 at the most. I think only 7500 seats are earmarked for rail seats at present, which would equate to approx 2-4k uplift, if legislation is ever changed.

They might be able to expand the rail seats if the corresponding concourses allow.
 
Tom Hughes said:
For it to be 1.8:1 they would've had to go to bigger treads than they have. They're only 750mm. That equates to 1.3 to 1.5:1 at the most. I think only 7500 seats are earmarked for rail seats at present, which would equate to approx 2-4k uplift, if legislation is ever changed.

They might be able to expand the rail seats if the corresponding concourses allow.
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Yeah, I can't remember where I read the 1.8 figure.

Let's be honest, we've been battered with so much info (legit or not) since this proposed build has been a thing it's impossible to track.
 
Tom Hughes said:
It is all about balancing cost and basic suppy/demand economics. Total stadium cost against capacity isn't a very linear relationship. Cost can almost double for every 10k increase above 40k, because the volume and often the complexity of construction rises substantially as the stadium height increases. Does anyone know the cost of the initial 60k option? Needless to say, that would've come with substantial Commonwealth Games funding. As soon as that bid failed, the proposed capacity fell to 53k.

Our 20k waiting list (if genuine) has been based on very low ticket prices (especially for kids and concessions). It's possibly also based slightly on the heightened anticipation of BMD and people wanting to secure their seat in a limited capacity Goodison. Of course you can also say that on the otherhand that's achieved despite poor facilities, obstructed views and poor team performance. However, they would normally also want a healthy surplus demand to help drive those ticket prices up, to help pay for it asap.

Unlike West Ham, this isn't a freeby. Far from it, and if they're going to get any ROI, they need to ensure every seat is sold out regularly and at a decent rate. They also won't want too many spare general admission seats when they're hoping to be able to push more corporate and corporate lite seats too (who's going to pay massively over the odds when there's still perfectly good views available?). So it is a balancing act.

West Ham had to practically give their tickets away to fill the London Stadium. So much so that their matchday income barely increased at all when they first moved, despite adding 20k plus to their capacity. This capacity has been steadily increasing as West Ham have slowly tapped into the latent support in greater London and the home counties, plus tourists. With that and increased loyalty of those new regulars, their matchday income has started to increase slightly. West Ham had never had over 40k averages in their history at the Boleyn ground, so this has been a major step up. But one probably only achieveable because of the miniscule cost per seat they've had to pay out.

Of course, if Moshiri/new owners was/were able to absorb that cost for a few years via an inflated naming rights or plain philanthropy, we might've been able to do similar...... but beyond that it's hard to see how those sums add up for a £500-750m stadium (representing approx 30% capacity increase), never mind much beyond that cost.

The other issue then is future-proofing of the stadium for any future increase in demand (if they've seriously under-estmated and/or there is any success). They're may be some potential increase if safe-standing at increased ratio is ever allowed.... but that may be quite limited. Colin Chong said that he believed any future increases would probably come from expansion on the sides.... with more lenient planning for an established stadium. Of course this wouldn't be cheap and might compromise the signature barrel roof aesthetic. Maybe it would become more Armadillo-like with a partial raised barrel. Perhaps the north stand could be expanded if that space is acquired....
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It is always felt about right to me. I have been to the Emirates and the new Spurs stadium and 60k starts to feel cavernous and you lose intimacy.
 

mightymoyes said:
how would safe standing increase the capacity? pretty sure its 1:1 ratio to the seating
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Currently it is. Suggestion that might change. That's possible, I suppose. We all stood up for the final 5 minutes on Sunday and the amount of space along the row when you're stood as opposed to being seated was noticeable.
 

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