ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 3

Dancing Pat · May 30, 2022

Sly News App has this handy ‘explainer’ that is a total white wash. It’s full of crap like this…

Some agile fans managed to scale the barriers close to the stadium, dropping nimbly to the ground on the other side and running towards the stairs leading to the stands, pursued by security. The voice on the video is Spanish, the fans are not dressed in Liverpool's red, and it's a different part of the stadium.

Champions League final: What actually happened at the Stade de France?

To try to understand events on the ground, Sky News has geolocated several videos posted on social media showing fans being funnelled, scaling fences and being targeted with pepper spray.

news.sky.com

Ghost Rider · May 30, 2022

Every account of what happened seeks to be either before the trouble started or during it. There is probably a 2 hour gap in every version that is unaccounted for , what led the police to go from normal to riot gear.

Genuinely believe the cover up of the whole truth is because of what happened at the euros last year, so the English don't want to keep a reputation of , well this.

It's clear , police were too heavy handed , many innocent fans were affected, there were failures in the system outside leading to the bottlenecking.

However there is also a reason why the police reacted , it isn't some anti English rhetoric. If they had just admitted that it would have been far better. Accept nobheads in the fanbase and ddamnd answers for why their genuine fans got affected.

daza_1973 · May 30, 2022

So now the RS are being seen as victims in all this....the big question is when's the replay?

Bluerover · May 30, 2022

twoblue said:
Is there footage of these.

Look at photos above in this thread to see the contrast between Madrid and rs sides inside the Stade. Clearly thousands of rs had got in and stairwells blocked. For those with genuine tickets left outside, they should thank their wonderful rs comrades who barged their way in.

A rs bloke was interviewed on one of the news clips outside the ground tickets had been grabbed out of youngsters' hands. Athens all over again.

The Dad in question tweeted about their traumatic experience and this was posted yesterday on this thread.

Bluerover · May 30, 2022

Ghost Rider said:
Every account of what happened seeks to be either before the trouble started or during it. There is probably a 2 hour gap in every version that is unaccounted for , what led the police to go from normal to riot gear.

Genuinely believe the cover up of the whole truth is because of what happened at the euros last year, so the English don't want to keep a reputation of , well this.

It's clear , police were too heavy handed , many innocent fans were affected, there were failures in the system outside leading to the bottlenecking.

However there is also a reason why the police reacted , it isn't some anti English rhetoric. If they had just admitted that it would have been far better. Accept nobheads in the fanbase and ddamnd answers for why their genuine fans got affected.

This is bang on.

The Stade has hosted a myriad of major events over the years without trouble.

ISIS and rs the only ones that caused disruption.

WilliamPerry · May 30, 2022

There is blame all around

uefa for continuing to give awful allocations to the actual fans of the teams in the final

the plod who probably got too trigger happy with the tear gas on innocent fans . But they can blame their own for putting them in that situation.

french locals did try and cause trouble it’s clear as day. The area by the ground is supposedly rough as arseholes

only Liverpool fc and it’s cult to refuse any blame . With the backing of the local MP’s and the English media who dont want to get on their bad side and lose valuable clicks and £££ in the process

klopp for saying

WilliamPerry · May 30, 2022

twoblue said:
Is there footage of these.

spot the difference

Mutzo Nutzo · May 30, 2022

MikeH72 said:
@EverTheOptimist good morning mate, can you give us a sign that you’re ok?

He’s still at the rocket

Bluerover · May 30, 2022

WilliamPerry said:
There is blame all around

uefa for continuing to give awful allocations to the actual fans of the teams in the final

the plod who probably got too trigger happy with the tear gas on innocent fans . But they can blame their own for putting them in that situation.

french locals did try and cause trouble it’s clear as day. The area by the ground is supposedly rough as arseholes

only Liverpool fc and it’s cult to refuse any blame . With the backing of the local MP’s and the English media who dont want to get on their bad side and lose valuable clicks and £££ in the process

klopp for saying
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Of course no spineless hack has the cojones to highlight this or question klippety. ?

WilliamPerry · May 30, 2022

Mutzo Nutzo said:
He’s still at the rocket

hopefully he’s on a rocket back to the moon , were he belongs

toffee82 · May 30, 2022

PhilM said:
It's unlikely they'd be able to duplicate a ticket to the require quality where it fools the system; that's if the system is electronic as you'd expect.

So I think there's an element of truth in the overreaction and there'll be lots of fans who are justifiably angry at what occurred, and that's fair enough.

You'd be naive to suggest the police didn't help and there were local youths getting involved, but equally I'd say you're naive if they are the only cause of it.

If you can scan your own ticket and it's a barcode or QR code a photocopy would work so the fake doesn't have to be that sophisticated.

It's obvious there is fault on all sides but we are dealing with three institutions that never accept blame. French police, Uefa and Liverpool.

MikeH72 · May 30, 2022

They thought they were winning a quadruple and we were getting relegated. Be under no illusions as to how much a domestic cup double and us staying up is hurting them, especially given they’ve given a free pass to Klopp to disrespect both of those competitions in the past and acted like they don’t mean anything. They’d all built themselves up for the big haul, and they are used to ALWAYS getting what they want.

daza_1973 · May 30, 2022

Bluerover said:
Of course no spineless hack has the cojones to highlight this or question klippety. ?

Hacks toeing the party line probably in fear of ending up writing for the Echo.

ToffeeTim · May 30, 2022

The fact you couldn't see the stairs when the ball went to the right side of the field, shows there must have been too many people in that area of the stadium. I don't really see how there is debate over this.

BlueToff · May 30, 2022

Ghost Rider said:
Every account of what happened seeks to be either before the trouble started or during it. There is probably a 2 hour gap in every version that is unaccounted for , what led the police to go from normal to riot gear.

Genuinely believe the cover up of the whole truth is because of what happened at the euros last year, so the English don't want to keep a reputation of , well this.

It's clear , police were too heavy handed , many innocent fans were affected, there were failures in the system outside leading to the bottlenecking.

However there is also a reason why the police reacted , it isn't some anti English rhetoric. If they had just admitted that it would have been far better. Accept nobheads in the fanbase and ddamnd answers for why their genuine fans got affected.

I think you should check up what policing has been like in France under that short arse Macron