2021/22 Rafael Benitez

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What would changing the manager do? Who could do better?

I hate this argument usually when it's applied to a manager who's been here 2-3 years, but he's been here 12 league games, and we've just come off the back of a season with one of the game's greatest managers only managing one point more in the same time frame.
If it’s the only thing that can be done to alter the course of inevitable relegation then it’s what must happen, yes.
 
What has made us 20 points worse than last season?
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We're 11th.

Tbf Tubey, Silva got sacked after 15 games (that 5-2 derby defeat on Dec. 4 being the 15th game), when we had 14 points.

We've currently played 12 games and are on 15 points.

We might be very fortunate to come away from the next two games with any more points, so we'd be in a very similar situation to then in terms of points and games played.

Let's hope we get something at least but it doesn't look pretty at all.
 
We have 1 defensive injury. There is no excuse for the number of goals we are conceding. Next week we need to keep a clean sheet - there is no excuse no to be compact at least.
The issue is we don't press, at all. There is no pressure on the ball.

We did the same yesterday as we did v West Ham. We had a decent shape, but they all stop 5 yards short of the opposition player in possession, so then it can just be passed around. We did the same v Burnley, we did the same v Villa. We've done it loads this season no matter who's played because it's something that's implemented from the manager.

This isn't about pressing how Klopp or Pep press, or Tuchel. But we just let teams have the ball and don't in any way look to pressurise to get it back until they're in our final third.
 
Nowhere near to this degree. It's pretty much unprecedented.

No manager would get a tune out of this squad, especially when you take out the best defender, midfielder AND striker from it.

Which brings me back to the point - what on earth would sacking Benitez do, when no other manager would do anything else?

People need to take off the blinkered rage at Benitez and acknowledge the reality of the situation here. He's proven he can get results when he has a semblance of a first team squad to choose from, and he's proven the squad is paper thin and you can't get a result when he doesn't. There's no surprise here.


It's why I don't get the kneejerk reactions.

He's had 1 window and £1.5m to fix a squad which couldn't get motivated for a run at the CL and latterly Europa last season. If they can't be arsed for a push at the most glamourous club competition, what chance have we got for Watford at home?

The players downed tools for Silva, Koeman, Allardyce and Ancelotti, what do people expect will change? I didn't want Benitez, but he's here, at least give him a chance with funds. Our jobs a poison chalice, and if having Benitez for a season or two allows us to gut the side, so be it. We have far bigger problems than Benitez.
 

Nowhere near to this degree. It's pretty much unprecedented.

No manager would get a tune out of this squad, especially when you take out the best defender, midfielder AND striker from it.

Which brings me back to the point - what on earth would sacking Benitez do, when no other manager would do anything else?

People need to take off the blinkered rage at Benitez and acknowledge the reality of the situation here. He's proven he can get results when he has a semblance of a first team squad to choose from, and he's proven the squad is paper thin and you can't get a result when he doesn't. There's no surprise here.

There is no reasoning with them - they'll only be satisfied when he's sacked - a spoilt child stomping their feet that they dont like their current rattle and want a different coloured one.

Its not unexpected - they were moaning when we were winning games never mind losing.

This jobs a poisoned chalice - unprofessional board, loser chairman, poor DOF/recuritment, poor academy, FFP Problems, a paper thin squad who are largely bang average with a mentality problem. Throw in a Geordie Fanbase with delusions of grandeur based on success over 30 years ago ready to call for your head 11 games in unless you are in the top 7 and what hope do they have?

The next fella daft enough to take on this job will only suffer the same fate as the last half a dozen before him.
 
It's why I don't get the kneejerk reactions.

He's had 1 window and £1.5m to fix a squad which couldn't get motivated for a run at the CL and latterly Europa last season. If they can't be arsed for a push at the most glamourous club competition, what chance have we got for Watford at home?

The players downed tools for Silva, Koeman, Allardyce and Ancelotti, what do people expect will change? I didn't want Benitez, but he's here, at least give him a chance with funds. Our jobs a poison chalice, and if having Benitez for a season or two allows us to gut the side, so be it. We have far bigger problems than Benitez.

He won't overhaul the squad, he will add more older players who won't be good enough.

Rondon is here until at least the end of next year. He will look for more Townsend type signings - experienced players who will be disciplined but lack quality.

And then we have a DOF who apparently wants Van De Beek. The squad won't be fixed until the manager and DOF are replaced.
 
There is no reasoning with them - they'll only be satisfied when he's sacked - a spoilt child stomping their feet that they dont like their current rattle and want a different coloured one.

Its not unexpected - they were moaning when we were winning games never mind losing.

This jobs a poisoned chalice - unprofessional board, loser chairman, poor DOF/recuritment, poor academy, FFP Problems, a paper thin squad who are largely bang average with a mentality problem. Throw in a Geordie Fanbase with delusions of grandeur based on success over 30 years ago ready to call for your head 11 games in unless you are in the top 7 and what hope do they have?

The next fella daft enough to take on this job will only suffer the same fate as the last half a dozen before him.

 
Nowhere near to this degree. It's pretty much unprecedented.

No manager would get a tune out of this squad, especially when you take out the best defender, midfielder AND striker from it.

Which brings me back to the point - what on earth would sacking Benitez do, when no other manager would do anything else?

People need to take off the blinkered rage at Benitez and acknowledge the reality of the situation here. He's proven he can get results when he has a semblance of a first team squad to choose from, and he's proven the squad is paper thin and you can't get a result when he doesn't. There's no surprise here.

You will turn on him. Just a matter of when you realise he’s past it.
 

It's why I don't get the kneejerk reactions.

He's had 1 window and £1.5m to fix a squad which couldn't get motivated for a run at the CL and latterly Europa last season. If they can't be arsed for a push at the most glamourous club competition, what chance have we got for Watford at home?

The players downed tools for Silva, Koeman, Allardyce and Ancelotti, what do people expect will change? I didn't want Benitez, but he's here, at least give him a chance with funds. Our jobs a poison chalice, and if having Benitez for a season or two allows us to gut the side, so be it. We have far bigger problems than Benitez.
It’s not knee jerk - he was just the wrong appointment
 
He was simply the wrong appointment.

You don't give the wrong appointment time. That is illogical.

This is not reactionary or knee jerk - this is the logical position to take. When a mistake is made then the quicker it is rectified the better.

We all know how this will end if we prolong the inevitable.

You can't move forward with the wrong man in position.

Everyone needs to go - the board, the manager, most of the players, the DOF, and lots of the coaching staff.
 

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