Be careful of what you wish for. I now long for thew days this thread was full of talk of finance models and redeveloping goodison
Johnnytotal
Player Valuation: £10m
Let's rename Liverpool founded by murderers and rapist vikings.Dont know if this has already been mentioned:
Renaming row darkens Penny Lane's blue suburban skies
It is arguably Liverpool's most famous street, immortalised by Paul McCartney as being "there beneath the blue suburban skies". But under a controversial new plan to right old wrongs, Penny Lane could soon be no more.www.google.com
Discussions like these are older than you think. 15 years ago. About Penny Lane. I'm sure everybody remembers.
FrenchDarrenBent
Player Valuation: £15m
There is a difference.
Slavery, in this case the selling and shipping of black people (treating them like cattle), is still visible in today's society. The ensuing racism too.
Vikings, Romans and their slaves or the Spanish Inquisition (to name a few) were cruel, but they're (almost) irrelevant nowadays. It's been 1100 - 1800 - 400 years.
Yes that is true, it’s still taking place in many parts of the Middle East and Africa.
Spadge Vernacular
Player Valuation: £60m
toffee-boy
Player Valuation: £15m
Onwards Evertonians
Player Valuation: £8m
We only stopped paying compensation to former slave owners in 2015. Yes that's right 2015. All these toffs that benefited from it have had our pants down all of that time. David Cameron's family was one of them and the country elected him.
That’s entirely you up to you.
But ignoring the past helps no one and I’m pleased Everton aren’t.
As in we’re in the privileged position we are as a society in part because of hundreds of years of exploitation of others.
It’s not our fault as individuals, but it doesn’t mean we can’t recognise that we remain one of the wealthiest countries in the world in part thanks to the leverage afforded our economy over other peoples hundreds of years ago.
Tom Hughes
Player Valuation: £10m
Recognising the significance of the name of the site is not rewriting history or indeed something individuals should be ashamed of. Unfortunately some right-leaning people see this as some kind of personal affront. The fact is, this was a largely hidden history for generations. John Bramley Moore continued to operate in this trade and profited from the proceeds long after the abolition.... after which he held high office in local society and was chairman of the port authority. When he died Everton FC were already playing at Anfield..... so it is hardly the ancient history of Vikings and Romans.
Johnnytotal
Player Valuation: £10m
I agree another uncomfortable truth is this city was largely Tory until after the war.
But this has nothing to do with Everton FC either.
malcson
Player Valuation: £10m
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I only mention racism in response to your position that 10 years ago this wouldn’t be a thing, possibly correct. This is not a positive though, it’s like you’re suggesting going back 10 years when we cared less about race relations.
The connection to the stadium build is only relevant because we are building on ‘Bramley Moore” Dock. Also why are you talking about apologies, no one has even suggested the club apologising. From what I have read all that is being suggested is a plaque or display acknowledging the history of the site, and it’s role in the slave trade. If anything it’s about distancing the club from it’s history. Also when you say ‘we’ already know about the history of the port, who do you mean because I guarantee that a straw poll of visitors to the new stadium would find many didn’t have a clue.
Tom Hughes
Player Valuation: £10m
The dock where we are building bares his name.... not that difficult to understand really.
malcson
Player Valuation: £10m
Inappropriate Behaviour
Do you get angry when the players take a knee at the start of the game?
