Everton Summer transfers 2021

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What did you think of him? Only 17 :eek:



Has to be £100mil + another £100mil in sales.

£200mil total i think we'll spend.
Hard to judge a 17 yr old on one game
Looks to have the pace and physical attributes but it’s one game
Minimum 100 m but I doubt we get 100 m from sales
But Carlo will be backed heavily , he has hinted he is going to spend big and forget about FFP
Usmanov did not bring Carlo here to mange this squad , he will give Carlo his own squad
 

Agree with this but what worries me is that a lot of this is only known in hindsight

Martinez left a squad of dads and lads, too many old players and too many young ones left it unbalanced. Therefore when he went and got in Williams Schneiderlin Gueye Bolasie Keane Siggurdson. People quibbled about the odd player, but not many argued that adding experienced plyers who had been very good at other premier league clubs in their prime to the squad was not a good approach. It was similar to what City had done after he beginning, take your competitors best players to move up a level. Why did 5 of those 6 signings abysmally fail? Not just, ‘ah they’ve been solid but didn’t set the world on fire’, fail to the point of fans wanting them out of the squads. These had been star players at other premier league teams.

Why has Allan been a class player until 29 but just rapidly declined over the last year if it’s not a coincidence that he joined Everton? PSG we’re going to pay 70 mill for him just the window before.

I'm not sure it is hindsight though mate. Allan declined in the year before he joined Everton. Koulibaly has declined a lot this season. James was known to have not played a lot in the previous season.

They hve been good signings, but we were never going to be getting peak Allan, James etc.
 
It's funny really, as soon as I saw that Chelsea link it made a lot of sense to me. Under Tuchel they have shown form close to title winning. They probably lack a centre forward and a bit of experience. Kane gives them both. They have an owner who will pay the fee, why not?

United seem to be going back to their roots of signing and developing younger players with the priority being Sancho. I'm not sure he's a natural fit for Pep and what he's trying to do.

I could see Chelsea making a big offer.

If Spurs get a big windfall for Kane then I can certainly see a fair chunk of it going on Ings. I'm a fan of Ings, but not at 30m. I would probably look in other directions at that figure.
The only issue I have with Ings is his injury record
If you can’t depend on him then what’s the point and he will not play second fiddle to DCL
James is the same but he is on a totally different planet skill wise to ings and is worth the money for 20 games a year
That’s why I’d like someone like Pereira at WBA as a rotation option with James
 
I'm not sure it is hindsight though mate. Allan declined in the year before he joined Everton. Koulibaly has declined a lot this season. James was known to have not played a lot in the previous season.

They hve been good signings, but we were never going to be getting peak Allan, James etc.

Schneiderlin had been one of the best holding mids in the prem at Southampton. He’d even played under Koeman before. He turned into possibly the worst.

Siggurdson was a dead ball specialist, crated numerous chances, remember the goals at Anfield running through and scoring, shots from distance etc. He hadn’t scored a free kick since moving to us and I don’t think he’s ran either.

Ashley Williams went from captain of Wales to retiring within about 6 months of joining us. This was a player pundits were fuming that we got ahead of Arsenal.

Richarlison was Brazil number 9, fast, strong, good technique. Now he looks as though he’s struggling to execute anything on a football field. He should be coming into his prime yet he’s regressing.
 

Schneiderlin had been one of the best holding mids in the prem at Southampton. He’d even played under Koeman before. He turned into possibly the worst.

Siggurdson was a dead ball specialist, crated numerous chances, remember the goals at Anfield running through and scoring, shots from distance etc. He hadn’t scored a free kick since moving to us and I don’t think he’s ran either.

Ashley Williams went from captain of Wales to retiring within about 6 months of joining us. This was a player pundits were fuming that we got ahead of Arsenal.

Richarlison was Brazil number 9, fast, strong, good technique. Now he looks as though he’s struggling to execute anything on a football field. He should be coming into his prime yet he’s regressing.

Which surely raises question marks over the coaching at the club.

Jobs for the boys - what qualifications does Dunc have other than being a club icon? Davide other than being the bosses son? They'll be many more dotted around the club as well.

Kenwright Nepotism.
 
Which surely raises question marks over the coaching at the club.

Jobs for the boys - what qualifications does Dunc have other than being a club icon? Davide other than being the bosses son? They'll be many more dotted around the club as well.

Kenwright Nepotism.

Could well be. I honestly don’t know mate. We can postulate on here until the cows come home. It’s probably a bit of everything. Recruitment isn’t good enough, coaching at all levels hasn’t been good enough, player fitness and conditioning isn’t good enough, player mentality and club culture isn’t good enough,

You either hope the people in place can work through it to change it or you get rid of them and start again.
 
The poor recruitment started the moment Martinez walked through the door so it’s not just 2 years more like 5. Also as I’ve said in another post, I think the problem goes beyond recruitment, most of these players were not bad players yet their performance levels at Everton are appalling. There may be another issue that Carlo and Brands have to sort out on the coaching side rather than just falling back on ‘we bought the wrong players’

Martinez just bought upper crap Lukaku aside so I could reason why we’d regressed. Under a Koeman I could accept it when it was Schneiderlin and Williams two players who didn’t really want to be here , and ok Klaasen wasn’t suited to the pace of this league.

Recently though it’s spreading to everyone. Look at Richarlison’s goal on his debut for us v Wolves. We’ve not seen anything like that pace power and composure recently from him. Even his hard work and good ball retention is also now gone. Digne used to bed very quick and very tidy on the ball, that’s now seemingly gone as well. I’m not having that Allan who was a top CL midfielder is also now a bad buy, or that Docuoure has suddenly regressed also.

There is something fundamentally wrong at the club that needs sorting out before we fire more managers, spend more money, and end up in exactly the same place.
Did it?

Barry, McCarthy, Lukaku weren't bad were they?

Alcaraz was gone after 2 years, Robles did okay for us in the end and was brought in as back up. Kone, aye, the injury made that a waste, but even he popped up for us in spells.

We were all thrilled with the Schneiderlin that came through the door in 2017, and he turned into a crab.

Some shocking purchases down the years, yes, from all of them. Like I've said though, three years ago if you'd have told us we'd still be in this mess of saying only about 7 or 8 players were good enough, that we'd still be playing Coleman at right-back, that we still don't have a midfielder who can progress with the ball, that we still don't have a right winger, then I don't think any of us would be happy.

I don't know why we're playing Richarlison up top when he's an inside forward, it doesn't get the best out of him or Dom. I don't know why we're playing Digne down the left with absolutely no assistance at all. I don't think any of the players you list are bad players so that's why I question the coaching because it can't all just be on the recruitment - most of them will be here next year and we'd want them to be if push came to shove (Digne, Rich, Pickford, Dom, Allan, Doucoure, Godfrey, Mina etc).

It's a lot of issues boiling together as one.
 
Could well be. I honestly don’t know mate. We can postulate on here until the cows come home. It’s probably a bit of everything. Recruitment isn’t good enough, coaching at all levels hasn’t been good enough, player fitness and conditioning isn’t good enough, player mentality and club culture isn’t good enough,

You either hope the people in place can work through it to change it or you get rid of them and start again.
This is the thing for me. I do still trust Carlo to do it but with each passing performance he's made that faith waver, because there doesn't seem to be a plan.

But hopefully we see better players change that. Brands is fortunate IMO but for stability, it was best for him to stay. He needs to stop leaving us short though, needs to buy players that can suit the league - he did it mostly last year, needs to up it again.

I think the coaching side does need freshening up though, just a new face with new ideas. I think the medical and fitness staff need an overhaul because our injury record is woeful in normal seasons, never mind this one.

Then it's the players themselves. Some of them have the talent to help us change. A lot don't, so they need to be improved upon. But we've shot ourselves in the foot a lot and as a fanbase we also have an unhealthy obsession with wanting to sell our good players as soon as they hit a bad run, as we've seen with Richarlison who, while he has been poor, has scored 42 goals for us in three seasons, averaging at 14 per campaign.
 
Schneiderlin had been one of the best holding mids in the prem at Southampton. He’d even played under Koeman before. He turned into possibly the worst.

Siggurdson was a dead ball specialist, crated numerous chances, remember the goals at Anfield running through and scoring, shots from distance etc. He hadn’t scored a free kick since moving to us and I don’t think he’s ran either.

Ashley Williams went from captain of Wales to retiring within about 6 months of joining us. This was a player pundits were fuming that we got ahead of Arsenal.

Richarlison was Brazil number 9, fast, strong, good technique. Now he looks as though he’s struggling to execute anything on a football field. He should be coming into his prime yet he’s regressing.

With respect mate, I think you are probably doing what we all do and giving a very rose tinted view of them.

Schneiderlin had been one of the best, but had stagnated at Manchester United.

Sigurdsson and free kicks I agree, but other than that he has done roughly what he did at Swansea, which is create and score a lot of goals from set plays without doing an awful lot else. I don't remmeber Sigurdsson ever being massively mobile at Swansea. He is the same player we signed but now just 4 years older.

Williams there was a big decline in his 2nd season, but we signed someone who was 32. I expected a bit more from Williams but there is always a risk when you sign someone thewrong side of 30.

Richarlison was not the Brazil number 9 at Watford. He was a wide player with potential but a lad who had got 5 goals in that season. He has improved a lot here, but may be hitting a ceiling.

The overall point is though, we tend to assume the players will be better than what they are whenthey come, and grow frustrated when they don't hit these expectations.
 

The only issue I have with Ings is his injury record
If you can’t depend on him then what’s the point and he will not play second fiddle to DCL
James is the same but he is on a totally different planet skill wise to ings and is worth the money for 20 games a year
That’s why I’d like someone like Pereira at WBA as a rotation option with James

Yes or Coutinho.

With Ings I suppose thats why I'd be happier to take him at a lower fee. I think those injuries will detoriorate as he gets older too, but is probably a useful stopgap at the right price.
 
With respect mate, I think you are probably doing what we all do and giving a very rose tinted view of them.

Schneiderlin had been one of the best, but had stagnated at Manchester United.

Sigurdsson and free kicks I agree, but other than that he has done roughly what he did at Swansea, which is create and score a lot of goals from set plays without doing an awful lot else. I don't remmeber Sigurdsson ever being massively mobile at Swansea. He is the same player we signed but now just 4 years older.

Williams there was a big decline in his 2nd season, but we signed someone who was 32. I expected a bit more from Williams but there is always a risk when you sign someone thewrong side of 30.

Richarlison was not the Brazil number 9 at Watford. He was a wide player with potential but a lad who had got 5 goals in that season. He has improved a lot here, but may be hitting a ceiling.

The overall point is though, we tend to assume the players will be better than what they are whenthey come, and grow frustrated when they don't hit these expectations.

Would you say Carlo's style/type of management is still suited to the top end of English Football though mate?

I mean yesterday Coleman/Holgate aside lets be honest that will likely be the same players in the side next season so if the manager isn't changing why do we expect the players will?
 
Could well be. I honestly don’t know mate. We can postulate on here until the cows come home. It’s probably a bit of everything. Recruitment isn’t good enough, coaching at all levels hasn’t been good enough, player fitness and conditioning isn’t good enough, player mentality and club culture isn’t good enough,

You either hope the people in place can work through it to change it or you get rid of them and start again.

A big problem with the rip it up and start again is that the only solution that will get all the fans behind them is the one that shows results right away and even with that there'd be muttering and complaining as soon as a bad patch or bad season happened, and there's no magic fix out there that guarantees that

No matter the choice of next manager, the same fans would be out for blood when we fail to start well, go on a bad run or lose those key games we love losing.

It's why I believe, that If you are ever going to have some patience with a manager and grin and bear it when we are crap, it's with the current one
 
Would you say Carlo's style/type of management is still suited to the top end of English Football though mate?

I mean yesterday Coleman/Holgate aside lets be honest that will likely be the same players in the side next season so if the manager isn't changing why do we expect the players will?

I think it is mate yes. The bigger concern is that we are not a top team.

I actually think if he had better players a lot of the intricate clever things he does would look great. But currently it just looks quite foolish in these home games.
 

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