Champions League revamp

[Lanolin]

Who cares, we get our footie back.

As I’ve explained to you elsewhere, everyone with a brain cares.

 

[DanB90]

Also massively ironic how none of these clubs were founding members of the football league.

Football survived before these teams and it will survive long after they’ve gone.

 

[ste d' indica]

Im kinda torn over all this. On one hand the snide part of me totally wants them to all be kicked out of premier league but the slightly more rational part of my brain thinks the Premier League and Everton would suffer from it due to huge drop in sponsorship/tv money/audience etc.

No one is going to take champions of England seriously when the 6 supposed biggest clubs in England don't even compete in said tournament

Is anyone going to take the Premier League seriously with a top 6 processional every year, and even if any team does break the stranglehold there's no reward? And no penalty for failure for any of those 'top 6' who fall away?
What's the point of it then?

 

[mightymoyes]

Is that fair on the players though, what if they're against it, what a mess this is.

They get their solicitors to get their contracts cancelled. Free transfers galore for the rest of European clubs

 

[Barnfred 55]

I think, at the root of it, is the Big 6 frightened of other teams breaking up their monopoly.

If you read the rest of my post then you would have seen that was exactly the point I was making. Not because there was no support there, but because of the financial implications of no income from games. It's a definite leveller.

 

[Big_nev]

Did Ian Holloway really say this super league stuff sullies the memory of Prince Phillip? lol

Has to be one of the best quotes ever.

 

[Wat Tyler]

.....Everton 14-1 to win the league next season.

I noticed the bookies have it odds on that this won’t happen.

 

[Deckard2049]

Be interesting to see what actually comes from this.

 

[Blueclouds]

As I’ve explained to you elsewhere, everyone with a brain cares.

The big 6 don't care about football anymore, we have to stand tall and move on without them. I don't care about global support, huge sponsors or huge wages. Money can still be made without those 6. We cant sit with our hands begging them to stay. The league is now devalued and that will kill British football. Without the 6, we will have a competitive league and the fans, nothing else matters.

 

[Brisan123]

We won the last ever Derby game of this happens plus deduct all monies from the club's this season and take the trophies away from them out the six clubs in the bottom six on NIL points ........start as the prem needs to go on to deter other club's.....also let them police their home games ........in that super league as they are all best mates no trouble ever expected ......not......
If they come back start them in the provisional feeder leagues......

95% not bad @COYBL25

 

[Papa Shango]

Im kinda torn over all this. On one hand the snide part of me totally wants them to all be kicked out of premier league but the slightly more rational part of my brain thinks the Premier League and Everton would suffer from it due to huge drop in sponsorship/tv money/audience etc.

No one is going to take champions of England seriously when the 6 supposed biggest clubs in England don't even compete in said tournament

It would suffer purely because 5 big clubs and Spurs have been removed from our league. It would survive though in some form.

It's incredibly unfair on their fans too really, not the horrible ones (most of them) but the genuine fans who really don't want this. No real fan would wan't this.

 

[mightymoyes]

Im kinda torn over all this. On one hand the snide part of me totally wants them to all be kicked out of premier league but the slightly more rational part of my brain thinks the Premier League and Everton would suffer from it due to huge drop in sponsorship/tv money/audience etc.

No one is going to take champions of England seriously when the 6 supposed biggest clubs in England don't even compete in said tournament

But the same thing will happen in Spain and Italy, they need to kick out their greedy scum too

 

[ste d' indica]

Be interesting to see what actually comes from this.

F' all would be my prediction.

 

[StevenSeagull]

Agree, but the ramifications of this for the lower leagues is huge in terms of revenue. Sometimes, you have to fight fire with fire.

If this league happens the losers will be PL but could benefit the lower leagues. 6 more clubs will come up from Championship and see a big increase in revenue although nowhere near the level it is now. That will have a knock-on effect with teams coming up from L1 etc. Maybe even restructure with a merged L1/L2 as a result. The cup games will now be more open (good news for all of us) too. If there's any sort of blacklisting of players either playing domestically or internationally, it should be easier to retain young talent and likely sales will have a huge premium attached.

 

[catcherintherye]

Well the overseas market is huge. Say what you like about the people behind this, but one thing they definitely aren't is stupid. They know full well there is a huge market for this proposal, they aren't just doing this on a whim. The price of UK rights has been going down while the price of overseas rights is going up. Those people want to see Liverpool, United, Arsenal, Chelsea etc. And obviously UK rights would take a big hit because 6 of the biggest supported clubs in the country would no longer be in the league. Fans of those clubs will be paying DAZN, they won't paying Sky to watch the PL when they aren't in it. It would be like me getting a Sky subscription to watch the Championship.

Ok got you.

Yes the upside potential for the overseas market is very much what they are gambling on here. You are probably right to say that the domestic market has reached saturation point, and obviously if you're an investor you want to see growth. So I understand that. However all I would say is that currently, or at least as of the last deal, the UK market was still 65-70% bigger than the rest of the world combined in terms of rights, so it is a bit of the old bird in the hand v 2 in the bush maxim.

The interesting gamble in this, is that the CL has very little overseas demand (relatively speaking) and actually it's value has been dropping. Now you could say it's because UEFA have done a terrible job etc, or you could say that actually a product that is played weekday nights, with the same old teams most years actually isn't a marketable as people might logically think it could be. If this goes ahead, we will certainly find out which.

My suspicion is they are gambling on the American market. This is largely untapped currently, and is the wealthiest market in the world. I had a debate with someone earlier who said about Indian's or Chinese people paying £10 pcm to watch, but thats a huge amount of money in those countries that most just won't be able to afford to pay. America though, has a massive base and as yet hasn't been captured.

Re Sky, yes if they are booted out Sky will lose a lot of subscriptions. Interestingly though, they have gone with DAZN, so Sky/BT/Amazon are incentivised to make the PL better. It's a bold move to not get one of those 3, massive coorporations on board. DAZN at present have little market coverage and huge financial challenges. They had a gamble on boxing, and it has backfired. It could be like the PL and Sky in 1992, but it's by no means automatic.

To be honest, I think the PL clubs are left with the least worst choice here. To me that is you have to kick them out, and hope the enduring appeal of the PL, as well as it's history and different storylines (title winners, top 4 race, EL qualification, relegation, promotion) ultimately wins out over a league with bigger names but ultimately only 1 of the above. It could go either way but at least they have a chance. If they let the top 6 stay, they will just win every trophy to a far greater degree than they already do.