New Everton Stadium - Hill Dickinson Stadium

[MickA]

Yes.
Beavertown is one of my favourites but obviously spurs will not allow that I imagine.

Needs three lagers, couple of IPAs, some guest ales ideally locally brewed.

After sponsorships there's absolutely no reason not to have local companies involved, Love Lane, Carnival, Black Lodge, Neptune etc etc

 

[jinkyali]

After sponsorships there's absolutely no reason not to have local companies involved, Love Lane, Carnival, Black Lodge, Neptune etc etc

Exactly. Rotation basis and it will likely give them a year's turnover in one afternoon.

 

[John from Bootle]

Yes, the distance from Kirkdale to GP is not dissimilar to Sandhills, but the point is, at present this only serves a very small percentage of our matchgoers with the walk putting off most of those coming from town/south Liverpool/wirral line who prefer to get off at sandhills for the soccerbus, and even combined are still relatively low numbers overall. Of course, they at least help GPs dispersal rates by taking thousands of vehicles off the road, but nowhere near the proportions we're talking about at BMD.

At the destination Kirkby inquiry it was explained by merseytravel that there was very little flexibility to add lots of additional services in terms of adding buses and trains and that private companies incur a subsidised cost factor and have historically had little natural business case take up. Which is why soccerbus consists of just a handful of buses which is barely adequate for current post match useage on those services.... so any increased provision for this site would probably be best served by extending a proportion of existing services from the South end/eastern corridors via a looped route using say Great Howard St, Boundary St, Scotland Rd (although these will have to be time-allowed within current scheduling to be viable), with some Northern Liverpool services being redirected doing the reverse route into town possibly being less time constrainedbeing more direct. However, I haven't seen mention of this, or it being being modelled (apart from vague references to some shuttle buses), so I'm not sure if existing traffic flows and junctions would allow this to work effectively using the relatively few routes available.

I mentioned the walk from Lime St because it was mentioned by a previous poster, and illustrates the perhaps slightly false perception of distance to BMD from the city centre's national rail hub. He asked about taxies and walking times etc. I said that if he was currently inclined to use a taxi from Lime St, then he probably would here too, as the difference in distance was probably as little as 10%, but with far less alternative routes and traffic lanes.
As you say, he could also choose to jump on the wirral line, change at James St and get a train one stop to Moorfields to still have a 1.5 mile walk or change again on to the northern line to Sandhills for the shorter walk. (Although he could do that directly via a change at central)

Yes, we probably all know people who walk fairly large distances to GP, but you can't plan transport logistics based on those extremes when we are looking at the relative convenience of moving large numbers in relatively small windows. A small core of our fanbase will travel to all corners of the globe to watch us, but that isn't a case for putting the stadium "anywhere".

As I said, i haven't fully read the latest revision so maybe there is greater clarity, but upto the earlier version, it looked like there will be a far greater onus placed on "Shank's pony", at least until a lot of new infrastructure is in place.... and whether or not the site and Liverpool water yields its own dedicated mass public transport network is also yet to be seen. I've heard mention of monorails and even an elevated rail from Brunswick dock to sandhills and other merseyrail extensions to open it all up, but all that will probably require far greater take up of plots than we have seen thus far.

I think one of the obvious solutions is to run the soccerbus service from Old Hall Street. I can't stress enough how this station is gonna heave with Blues. It's served directly from Chester, Ellesmere Port, West Kirby, New Brighton, Southport, Ormskirk, South Liverpool, and Kirkby, is less than 1.5 miles from the ground, and just happens to be in the city centre.

And then there's Sandhills.

I understand that not everybody has convenient rail access, and perhaps ironically, it will be people who live close to Goodison, and other such areas who will find it hardest to get there. Their journey will likely start with a bus into town, but for many people who rely on public transport in those areas, a two-leg journey via town is par for the course.

I think the rail links are fine. Certainly better than Goodison or Anfield.

 

[Houghty19]

Love it in there yes.
You know it?

Yeah but unfortunately not for the last 12 months

 

[Houghty19]

....love The Taps myself, had plenty of sessions in there (is the picture of Bill Beaumont still on the wall). I doubt @jinkyali will be able to see the new ground from in there.

I think it was over 12 months ago.

 

[LEONARD]

Looking forward to that first game, Saturday 3-00pm KO. It WILL be a lovely sunny day.

(1) Full English Breakfast in West Kirby.
(2) Train to James Street.
(3) First pint ( and a Sir Arthur Bliss) in the Captain Alexander.
(4) A nice leisurely (15 minute) walk to BMD.
(5) Everton win of course.

 

[Tom Hughes]

Looking forward to that first game, Saturday 3-00pm KO. It WILL be a lovely sunny day.

(1) Full English Breakfast in West Kirby.
(2) Train to James Street.
(3) First pint ( and a Sir Arthur Bliss) in the Captain Alexander.
(4) A nice leisurely (15 minute) walk to BMD.
(5) Everton win of course.

Sounds idyllic..... but it's a good half an hours walk from Derby Sqr. No big deal if you're fit and healthy. Perhaps less so if not, or if you have a couple of kids in tow, or it's pouring down.

 

[peteblue]

Same.

Dad is on crutches permanently and can't do distances. We currently park down a side road near the stadium with his badge and he can manage the short walk. No idea how we are going to do brambley moore.

Needs to be very close or perhaps an official car park pass or something.

I am sure the club will provide options.

You drop him off at the ground then go and park, rinse and repeat the other way.....

 

[Dr Baxter]

I think one of the obvious solutions is to run the soccerbus service from Old Hall Street. I can't stress enough how this station is gonna heave with Blues. It's served directly from Chester, Ellesmere Port, West Kirby, New Brighton, Southport, Ormskirk, South Liverpool, and Kirkby, is less than 1.5 miles from the ground, and just happens to be in the city centre.

And then there's Sandhills.

I understand that not everybody has convenient rail access, and perhaps ironically, it will be people who live close to Goodison, and other such areas who will find it hardest to get there. Their journey will likely start with a bus into town, but for many people who rely on public transport in those areas, a two-leg journey via town is par for the course.

I think the rail links are fine. Certainly better than Goodison or Anfield.

Yeah, rather ironic people who live around Walton would have the most awkward journey to BMD compared to Goodison. Not just further but awkward by public transport.

 

[LEONARD]

Yeah, rather ironic people who live around Walton would have the most awkward journey to BMD compared to Goodison. Not just further but awkward by public transport.

19 Bus into town, and a walk?

 

[Dr Baxter]

Dale St still for me as I live around there. Only change is instead of the northern line to Kirkdale it's a 20 min walk from The Excelsior.

You must be a quick walker. It would take me 30 minutes.

 

[Dr Baxter]

19 Bus into town, and a walk?

Yes, exactly. That's the point. No direct bus route and no train. If I lived round there I'd start the day in a pub near Goodison and then get a black cab to BMD with mates. Thinking about it, there might still be a lot of fans who will still do that as it makes most sense given where they live.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Yeah, rather ironic people who live around Walton would have the most awkward journey to BMD compared to Goodison. Not just further but awkward by public transport.

I lived in town and walked to Goodison. The reverse is equally possible. (Not for everyone, obviously)

 

[LEONARD]

I lived in town and walked to Goodison. The reverse is equally possible. (Not for everyone, obviously)

Depending on the weather, I would often walk from Town to Goodison.

Scotland Road, Everton valley, usually took me about 45 minutes, but good exercise, and it built up a thirst.

 

[jinkyali]

....love The Taps myself, had plenty of sessions in there (is the picture of Bill Beaumont still on the wall). I doubt @jinkyali will be able to see the new ground from in there.

Not sure how local you are but there is currently a nice micro pub in the High Street and another one about to open.