Everton Summer transfers 2021

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He's played 33% of the minutes since Tuchel took over. Can we please stop this now?
You would honestly argue black is white wouldn't you?

For whatever reason, the fella has so far flopped and proven to be a considerable waste of money.

It doesn't make him a bad player, but the signing hasn't worked out.

Depay flopped at United, Van der Beek is flopping at United and Klaassen stunk the place out here.

That doesn't mean that every player from Holland is bad, but my point was historically and recently, players from the Dutch League haven't made an impact in this league.

Again, that doesn't mean that every player from Holland is bad, nor does it mean we shouldn't buy from there.
 

There was a bit in that interview he did a bit with Rio Ferdinand where when asked about playing fullbacks he made very clear he was a CB and was only doing a job for the team and wanted to play as a CB. It didn't sound to me he was enormously happy with the role he had.

He must also see that there is a lot of speculation about a new right back. There was probably a world, where Ancelotti and the club essentially knuckled down with Holgate and decided he was the medium term choice and would get a run at it, and given time to improve. Whatever the rights and wrongs of that (and I appreciate it's probably an unpopular view that he could be a 1st choice) it has been decided that is not the avenue they are going down.

I also have a theory on this utility player stuff, that is essentially since more subs came in, it killed the utility man. Even till the early 00's you were only allowed 3 subs, so a lad like Holgate either on your bench or on the pitch gave you options of changing shape or playing a number of players. There was a value in them. The movement to 5, then 7 now 9 subs has essentially killed that off. I don't think it's the key element by any stretch, but versatility is not as key a component as maybe it once was.

As I've got older I've become more ruthless about such things as player trading. I like Holgate, but if theres a choice between a 4th choice or 15-20m pounds my answer is clear. That doesn't mean I don't like Holgate at all, but the money can be better spent. It's like saying would you rather Hoglgate or a 1st choice rightback akin to Lucas Digne? It's not a zero sum game.
Yep, very much agree with this. I've said a few times, I don't see Holgate's supposed versatility (which is often overstated anyway, and looks more so by the week with his right back performances looking every inch like us just putting a body there) as relevant to his value to the squad going forward. If he's seen as an important player at centre half then that's fine, but if not then the idea that he could, theoretically, cover other positions just doesn't come into it at all for me. Like you, I'd be perfectly happy to keep him in the squad if money's no object and he wants to stay, but i'm not convinced either of those things will be the case.
 
You would honestly argue black is white wouldn't you?

For whatever reason, the fella has so far flopped and proven to be a considerable waste of money.

It doesn't make him a bad player, but the signing hasn't worked out.

Depay flopped at United, Van der Beek is flopping at United and Klaassen stunk the place out here.

That doesn't mean that every player from Holland is bad, but my point was historically and recently, players from the Dutch League haven't made an impact in this league.

Again, that doesn't mean that every player from Holland is bad, nor does it mean we shouldn't buy from there.
I said he isn't really playing under Tuchel and the guy was telling me he is. How am I arguing that black is white? He factually isn't playing that much right now. I mean he didn't play yesterday! We all watched and he didn't play!

He's flopped because he's been hurt. He stays healthy it might be different but now that he's healthy he is out of favor with the manager. It is what it is. I think the time he's been on the field he's been largely good.
 
Yep, very much agree with this. I've said a few times, I don't see Holgate's supposed versatility (which is often overstated anyway, and looks more so by the week with his right back performances looking every inch like us just putting a body there) as relevant to his value to the squad going forward. If he's seen as an important player at centre half then that's fine, but if not then the idea that he could, theoretically, cover other positions just doesn't come into it at all for me. Like you, I'd be perfectly happy to keep him in the squad if money's no object and he wants to stay, but i'm not convinced either of those things will be the case.

And importantly we are working to the premise someone is happy to give us 15-20m for him which is not a given.
 
I said he isn't really playing under Tuchel and the guy was telling me he is. How am I arguing that black is white? He factually isn't playing that much right now. I mean he didn't play yesterday! We all watched and he didn't play!

He's flopped because he's been hurt. He stays healthy it might be different but now that he's healthy he is out of favor with the manager. It is what it is. I think the time he's been on the field he's been largely good.
Do you think that in certain light the colour black could be considered white?
 


I'm not angry haha.

But you're smarter than this. I know you are.

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You would honestly argue black is white wouldn't you?

For whatever reason, the fella has so far flopped and proven to be a considerable waste of money.

It doesn't make him a bad player, but the signing hasn't worked out.

Depay flopped at United, Van der Beek is flopping at United and Klaassen stunk the place out here.

That doesn't mean that every player from Holland is bad, but my point was historically and recently, players from the Dutch League haven't made an impact in this league.

Again, that doesn't mean that every player from Holland is bad, nor does it mean we shouldn't buy from there.
It's funny, I'm still thinking about this, Chelsea are looking pretty good right now and I think that you and others would argue that every single one of their attacking players is a flop or not good aside from maybe Giroud and Mount as they cost nothing and are mostly thought of well. I mean Havertz, Werner, Pulisic, Ziyech, Hudson-Odoi and Abraham, do you rate any? I feel like the answer really can't be no.
 
It's funny, I'm still thinking about this, Chelsea are looking pretty good right now and I think that you and others would argue that every single one of their attacking players is a flop or not good aside from maybe Giroud and Mount as they cost nothing and are mostly thought of well. I mean Havertz, Werner, Pulisic, Ziyech, Hudson-Odoi and Abraham, do you rate any? I feel like the answer really can't be no.
None of them have impressed me no, but they are winning games mostly 1-0, so I suppose it could be said they haven't really played well.

5 more goals then the Everton side you despise.

Mount hasn't even impressed me for the record.
 

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