ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 3

[anjelikaferrett]

Woy and Jose could easily be sacked before him.
Rumours say he’s walking away. Liverpool offered him a month off after mother’s death and he refused it.
He looks like a man on the edge to me.

If this is true, and to be fair I do think Liverpool would do that, then it shows what a manipulative narcissistic control freak he really is. German nationals can go to Germany for a bereavement but he would have had to isolate for 10 days on entry and then another 10 days when he came back. He chose not to. I thought the timing of the announcement of his mother's death was odd - not straight away but after the funeral he "couldn't" go to. He's given himself a free pass for the last month and their awful form now by manipulating the sympathy vote. I thought all of this at the time but considered myself to be a horrible person for even going there.

 

[degsy]

hello buddies we should all be fearful for what wrath they will have in storm for our beloved everton this saturday. it seems speculation of their demise was v premature and now u must pay.

Nah, 1 win Vs a crap Leipzig team does not mean they're 'back'

To quote the traditional old park football cry...these are shight lids

 

[Yarrgh]

My God, pass me the sick bag, these people forget what a terrible stain on English football these really are.
From Heysel to being declared the worst behaved fans in Europe, Fanta scruff, wank Buddha, ticket robbing, Michael Shields and so on and so on

The Guardian, Jonathan Liew

As Liverpool dived skipped and groaned manoeuvred their way past a godawful beautiful but brittle Leipzig in a thrilling, highly-strung last-16 asterisked first leg, it was possible to glimpse a vision of the game’s near dystopian future, or very possibly its present.

Positionally inept Daringly high full-backs, Random punting of long balls breathtaking switches in play, goalkeepers suicidally venturing halfway to the centre circle, a brainlessly gripping 90-minute struggle for territory and momentum: perhaps this is just what football looks like now, at least at its PED fuelled elite end.

If only the Gaurdian employed copy writers.

 

[GwladysBlue]

They love talking about how we can’t afford to build, nor fill, Bramley-Moore but on the other hand talk about how much money we’ve spent and how much wages we pay out.

Doesn’t it register with them that maybe, just maybe, we do have the money?

They should stick to talking about putting lipstick on a pig with the latest monstrosity extension added to Anfield.

 

[brigadier]

Never ever write them off in this competition. The normal rules don’t apply. In the space of a few weeks we’ve seen top defenders like Dias and Upemacano mess up routine clearances against them that they’ve probably never messed up in their career before and won’t again. Liverpool could play a long ball from their goalkeeper that would’ve swept up by a Sunday league defence yet find that its bizarrely bamboozled some of the best defences in Europe when it comes to CL knockout. Until they’re out they are always a massive threat in this. Hopefully they draw PSG or Bayern in the next round and I’d be a bit more confident they’ve got too much for Liverpool over two legs without crowds. I don’t want another all English affair where Liverpool take advantage of UEfA’s hatred of City or Chelsea whilst the real top sides are slugging it out against each other.

Liverpool have the ability to make a errors like red card fouls or individuals having a nightmare making fouls all game only to be ignored by the ref , if the lesser teams make the same mistakes the refs are all over it, its uncanny the amount of shirt pulling and fouls from behind they get away with, you simply cant play them on a level playing field.

 

[catcherintherye]

They love talking about how we can’t afford to build, nor fill, Bramley-Moore but on the other hand talk about how much money we’ve spent and how much wages we pay out.

Doesn’t it register with them that maybe, just maybe, we do have the money?

They should stick to talking about putting lipstick on a pig with the latest monstrosity extension added to Anfield.

I mean if this is a blag, it's the greatest blag of all time.

Maybe they should worry about filling Anfield, as they rarely sell out the full 54000.

 

[davek]

My God, pass me the sick bag, these people forget what a terrible stain on English football these really are.
From Heysel to being declared the worst behaved fans in Europe, Fanta scruff, wank Buddha, ticket robbing, Michael Shields and so on and so on

The Guardian, Jonathan Liew

As Liverpool skipped and manoeuvred their way past a beautiful but brittle Leipzig in a thrilling, highly-strung last-16 first leg, it was possible to glimpse a vision of the game’s near future, or very possibly its present.

Daringly high full-backs, breathtaking switches in play, goalkeepers venturing halfway to the centre circle, a gripping 90-minute struggle for territory and momentum: perhaps this is just what football looks like now, at least at its elite end.

He's an utter clown.

Middle class people know f.a. about football.

 

[davek]

Maybe not.
They should see off Leipzig, so a good portion of the CL earnings are in the bank.
Come 5th or lower and there's NO money next season to help with 2 seasons expected massive losses.

They can get top 4 and prioritise the CL

 

[davek]

endless examples of the non favourite winning games, but my point here is in big ties, the money down the local bookies is irrelevant- the odds are not influenced by that kind of small volume.
Re 2009, an interesting argument- bear in mind the semis - Barca fluked their way past Chelsea that year, to the best of my memory, which would have had huge influence on odds

many back on topic, enjoy your day lads

These were national bookmakers.

United and Barcelona were 13/8 each with Bet365 on the eve of the final.

No way were United near Barcelona at the time, and for them to be joint favourites underlines that betting is skewed by national bias.

 

[catcherintherye]

endless examples of the non favourite winning games, but my point here is in big ties, the money down the local bookies is irrelevant- the odds are not influenced by that kind of small volume.
Re 2009, an interesting argument- bear in mind the semis - Barca fluked their way past Chelsea that year, to the best of my memory, which would have had huge influence on odds

many back on topic, enjoy your day lads

It's not about local bookies is it, which of course wouldn't move odds.

It's about odds you are using from territories where they are based in the country who team they are from. Their odds partially reflect where the money goes, and across the UK, Manchester United, or Liverpool will place a lot more bets on than foreign teams. Even if you want to take bias out of it, we tend to slightly overrate our league and our teams as a nation.

 

[Charles Plastusz]

My God, pass me the sick bag, these people forget what a terrible stain on English football these really are.
From Heysel to being declared the worst behaved fans in Europe, Fanta scruff, wank Buddha, ticket robbing, Michael Shields and so on and so on

The Guardian, Jonathan Liew

As Liverpool skipped and manoeuvred their way past a beautiful but brittle Leipzig in a thrilling, highly-strung last-16 first leg, it was possible to glimpse a vision of the game’s near future, or very possibly its present.

Daringly high full-backs, breathtaking switches in play, goalkeepers venturing halfway to the centre circle, a gripping 90-minute struggle for territory and momentum: perhaps this is just what football looks like now, at least at its elite end.

I genuinely get murder/suicide vibes from some of these sycophantic cult pandering “journalists”. Not hard to imagine one breaking in to a hotel, leaving some “fluids” on the 3rd choice keepers bed, before killing the lad and then himself.

 

[degsy]

They can get top 4 and prioritise the CL

Probably☹

 

[catcherintherye]

Thats because the British media will hype them up and all the gobshites will back them
Bookies do not care who the best team is ,just who the money is going on
Bookies made a fortune when Leicester won the league at 1000-1 (even thought they paid out a fair few bets )because all the money was on the sky 6

And if for example 100x goes on team A, bookies will look to incentivise betting on team B to cover themselves slightly.

Very few are going to risk all their liability on being correct, in a 2 horse race where all the exposure lies on 1 side.

It's like me saying to people, who do you think will win tonight? For me, City. option 1, you can risk your house on City winning. Option 2, you can price it so you make a handy 20k whatever option comes through. It's pretty easy which one you're going to take.

Bookies only really risk (as they have odds in their favour) is liquidity and exposure. They will look to minimise both.

 

[number4.]

It's not about local bookies is it, which of course wouldn't move odds.

It's about odds you are using from territories where they are based in the country who team they are from. Their odds partially reflect where the money goes, and across the UK, Manchester United, or Liverpool will place a lot more bets on than foreign teams. Even if you want to take bias out of it, we tend to slightly overrate our league and our teams as a nation.

betting exchanges and Asian handicaps would be the only prices I would consider

 

[catcherintherye]

betting exchanges and Asian handicaps would be the only prices I would consider

Ok. They tend to be quite wild, and again even more indicative of the "market" they serve- so much less professional oversight that exists with a bookie.

All they are going to tell you, is who the punters on any given team think is going to win. It's really not enough to proclaim a favourite from that (in my opinion). They are useful supplementary information, but I wouldn't treat them as scientific.