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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 3

FSG broke their own principles by allowing Klopp to get Thiago (over their usual age profile, massive wages, big fee), Jota (humongous fee 40 mill plus one of their youth players practically 50 mill). They then went back in January which they don’t like doing to spend money on a stocking plaster.

Klopp let Hoever and Van Der Berg leave the club, then the owners had to bring in two centrebacks in January as he was moaning too much. It won’t look good. FSG will be sat there absolutely incredulous that they’re receiving any blame for this whatsoever.

In as far as they are willing too, they have backed Klopp. He has a wage bill that is drastically higher than when he came (nearly twice as big) and have allowed him to outspend City in wages. They have also allowed him to go big, and break transfer records on Van Dijk and Alisson, even though in both cases they were uneasy about doing so. As you say, this summer Jota for big money as well as Thiago, with 12 months on a deal, at 29, for 30m, probably earning 300k+ a week. The lad weakens the team.

Thats FSG's part in this and their side of it. And then Klopp, even when they give him 2 CB's doesn't start either, and doesn't even have 1 in the squad. It's almost as if Klopp is trying to prove some bizarre point, but American execs will not be impressed at all.

To give Klopps side, Klopp is the gold dust. For all FSG go on about their great recruitment, and how brilliant Michael Edwards is, nobody felt that was the case before Klopp arrived. They had jut presided over the joke summer, where they did what we did in 2017 with the Suarez money, wasting it on Balotelli, Benteke and Ricky Lambert. The transfer committee was hated and ridiculued and so too was the approach to transfers with data. Most of the players they bought were bad fits, and it took Klopp to arrive to turn it round. In essence he is the magic dust that knits it together.

A bit like Brands and Everton. People will understandably say it's Carlo making the players look better which is true, but in a lot of ways Silva made the playes look much worse. I digress slightly, but there are lots of people I find who ork in and around recruitment, who seem to think they are the starts of the show (see Steve Walsh) but the real magic is with the manager. So to some degree, Klopp must be looking at things and thinking, you were bouncing around half way up the table, having owned the club for 5 years going nowhere when I came.

Thats the dialectic. As with all things, contradictions are reduced when you are doing well, and widened at times of difficulty.

Suffice to say, if Klopp ends up going, I don't think they will appointing another Klopp. They will go for more of a yes man who will do as he's told. Maybe Gerrard, maybe Pep Ljinders.
 

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I just don't get this school of thought, i mean they spent money like others did but Klopp and the recruitment team chose to spend that money on an extra midfielder and start the season with 3 CB despite them having to play in 4 competitions not FSG.
Crazy I know but look at it from Liverpool’s point of view
Before Pickford ripped VVD’s leg off no other centre half had ever been injured in the PL ( according to the media ) so for Liverpool to lose one was unfortunate , to lose 2 was unlucky but to lose 3 well that’s just ..............................absolutely Effie brilliant
 
It's just the usual desperation, by Liverpool supporters, the ex player brigade and the biased media with their complete agenda to keep Liverpool fc top of the pile. That agenda also means they can now turn on their owners, the minute, they stop buying, a) The most expensive goalkeeper in the world at the time, b) The most expensive defender in the world at the time. And loading up with expensive, midfielders and attackers.
This year, they spent £30m on a 30 year old midfielder and £45m on an attacker, add £10m on a fullback we've never seen and two centre halves. Feel a bit sorry for FSG, no matter what they spend now, it won't matter until they are top of the league and winning trophies every season. They've created a greedy, obsessive monster that needs feeding all the time.
A gigantic monstrous toddler having a tantrum. That's their fan base for you in a nutshell.
 

They sacked Andy Gray who was Sky Sports Football. I’m not sure that squeak is unsackable.
I think SKY knew what was coming in terms of more his sexist videos about to be leaked to the media which didn't really leave them any choice, when it came to Carragher I still don't know why he wasn't sacked they missed a golden opportunity there, he just makes me squirm every time I see or hear him, he just cuts about like he owns the gaff.
 
I think SKY knew what was coming in terms of more his sexist videos about to be leaked to the media which didn't really leave them any choice, when it came to Carragher I still don't know why he wasn't sacked they missed a golden opportunity there, he just makes me squirm every time I see or hear him, he just cuts about like he owns the gaff.
It's mad. He got filmed spitting in a young girls face. Then he got filmed wandering around the city in a large group during a pandemic.

How's he still got a job? It's not like there's no other RS pundit to fill his shoes.
 
I just don't get this school of thought, i mean they spent money like others did but Klopp and the recruitment team chose to spend that money on an extra midfielder and start the season with 3 CB despite them having to play in 4 competitions not FSG.

The real question FSG should be asking Klopp is ‘why did you need to buy 29 year old Thiago for 30 mill after we gave you 60 mill for Keita, 40 mill for Fabinho, 40 mill for Oxlade Chamberlain, 30 mill for Wijnaldum, 13 million for Shaqiri, Henderson and Milner were already there, Curtis Jones is coming through and you’ve let Emre Can and Lallana leave the club for nothing?.’

They’ve got enough midfielders to field three teams yet Klopp wanted another one. If you throw in Minamino as well who has played midfield it’s even more.

Carragher is going on about them needing three first team players right down their spine every window (as if any club gets that) but is that not what FSG actually did in the summer? Youth products like Brewster and Hoever were out, fringe players like Lovren Clyne Lallana gone, and Klopp was able to bring in Thiago Jota Minamino and Tsimikas for decent money. He was then supported again in the January transfer window (even though it was him who has sold Lovren Sakho Klavan recently), and he doesn’t even play the players that have been brought in. Klopp doesn’t have a leg to stand on. He’s been given absolutely everything with all his top players retained.
 

It's mad. He got filmed spitting in a young girls face. Then he got filmed wandering around the city in a large group during a pandemic.

How's he still got a job? It's not like there's no other RS pundit to fill his shoes.
I think its him and neville who the "propa lads" love so sky will never sack him. They wear skinny jeans and queue up 2 hours for nandos, you know the ones.
 
In as far as they are willing too, they have backed Klopp. He has a wage bill that is drastically higher than when he came (nearly twice as big) and have allowed him to outspend City in wages. They have also allowed him to go big, and break transfer records on Van Dijk and Alisson, even though in both cases they were uneasy about doing so. As you say, this summer Jota for big money as well as Thiago, with 12 months on a deal, at 29, for 30m, probably earning 300k+ a week. The lad weakens the team.

Thats FSG's part in this and their side of it. And then Klopp, even when they give him 2 CB's doesn't start either, and doesn't even have 1 in the squad. It's almost as if Klopp is trying to prove some bizarre point, but American execs will not be impressed at all.

To give Klopps side, Klopp is the gold dust. For all FSG go on about their great recruitment, and how brilliant Michael Edwards is, nobody felt that was the case before Klopp arrived. They had jut presided over the joke summer, where they did what we did in 2017 with the Suarez money, wasting it on Balotelli, Benteke and Ricky Lambert. The transfer committee was hated and ridiculued and so too was the approach to transfers with data. Most of the players they bought were bad fits, and it took Klopp to arrive to turn it round. In essence he is the magic dust that knits it together.

A bit like Brands and Everton. People will understandably say it's Carlo making the players look better which is true, but in a lot of ways Silva made the playes look much worse. I digress slightly, but there are lots of people I find who ork in and around recruitment, who seem to think they are the starts of the show (see Steve Walsh) but the real magic is with the manager. So to some degree, Klopp must be looking at things and thinking, you were bouncing around half way up the table, having owned the club for 5 years going nowhere when I came.

Thats the dialectic. As with all things, contradictions are reduced when you are doing well, and widened at times of difficulty.

Suffice to say, if Klopp ends up going, I don't think they will appointing another Klopp. They will go for more of a yes man who will do as he's told. Maybe Gerrard, maybe Pep Ljinders.
Pep Lijnders, that would be pure comedy gold value guaranteed, if his stint with NEC Nijmegen is anything to go by.
 
He really is a massive prick

I wonder what the feeling is from ‘The Anfield Talk’ here posting this though. He’s saying how Klopp is having a go at reporters repeatedly but is he saying ‘this is getting embarrassing now, our manager has lost the plot and is a whiny bell end’ or is he saying ‘pundits keep asking us stupid questions and trying to wind up our Klopp lar’?

Oh I assume their take is that the media are against them, and Klopp is once again having to put them in their place...

But the reality is, whether they want to see it or not, is that klopp is close to Keegan level breakdown...he's ego is massive, and if next season starts badly he's not gonna be able to handle it
 

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