ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 3

[Bob Elstone]

City reds was men against boys. Absolute domination.

salah is a disgusting individual

 

[PaulPowersTash]

City reds was men against boys. Absolute domination.

salah is a disgusting individual

I watched the game on a stream from Malaysia yesterday where the two pundits were Dirk Kuyt & Paul Dickov with the notorious Jim Beglin as the co-commenator. There was one incident with Salah late in the game when he was in the centre circle and a pass came to him. The ball was immediately taken off him by a City player who didn't go anywhere near him. Salah did his trick of throwing his hands up in the air and going down like he had been shot by sniper!
It really was a disgusting piece of play acting. The commentator said 'we won't even talk about that dive from Salah'. Why not? It really was truly blatant. He should have been booked but Michael Oliver didn't even look at him. It really is about time that Salah was called out by all of the media for his blatant cheating. He really is an obnoxious footballer.

 

[AUXLEN]

Remember that first season Salah was there and even though he was brilliant we all sort of respected him because he wasn’t an arrogant nob head and didn’t cheat? Playing for that club does something to people. A poisonous institution.

I do, and I for one had a respect for him, long since lost...repeatedly.

 

[rylojr]

this guy is close to breaking down any second

Is that a piss-take account?

It's honestly difficult to tell with bulbs like him

 

[Saint Domingo]

I’ll be honest for a second amongst all the RS and media bashing, a lot of the praise for what they did the last two seasons is deserved and it’s normal to see the media take time to turn on players after a bad spell. You look at when Rooney came to us, he was finished, legs had gone and wasn’t premier league fit anymore but they were desperate to hype in whenever they could and went bananas when he scored on his debut and that goal to seal his hat-trick against West Ham.

I am loving their form in 2021 though and the longer it continues the better. Roy Keane has been the first to come out and crush them on tv and he’s now set the stage so others can follow his lead. If they fail to beat Leicester after a week off due to them already being out the cup when Leicester are playing Wednesday there are no more ready made excuses. That credit they built up after two seasons of winning almost every week is running out and a few more dropped points will see more turn...

There’s a bit of that yeah but there’s also what I feel is unecessary criticism of us in comparison to similar clubs of our standing for no other reason than Liverpool don’t like us and therefore their media acolytes set an agenda. Pickford is a prime case, its fine for us to all hate him as he’s our keeper, but in the 17/18 season he’d be decent for us, coming off the back of decent form for Sunderland. Even before he went to the World Cup there was some negative press on him because the media wanted Butland Heaton or Pope to go (quite how being backup at Burnley or relegated with Stoke puts you ahead of being Everton’s number one.). During the World Cup he got panned for the goal against Belgium (might not even be his fault) before eventually getting some decent press for good performances against Columbia and especially Sweden. After the World Cup though it’s like the media couldn’t wait for him to fail, and of course his error against Origi was like they’d died and gone to heaven. Every slight error he makes now has them questioning whether he should be England number one. That’s fine but it’s the glee they do it with. Looking across the league there’s keepers with far better reputations making way more errors than him (e.g Lloris). Yet they’re barely being mentioned. Same with bad tackles, ive never heard one mentioned as much as Pickford’s (and Pickfords was accidental!).

I’m all for getting bad coverage when we deserve it but last time I looked we were having a decent season still in the hunt for Europe and the FA cup whilst other teams threw the domestic trophies. There’s always a feeling though that the media would enjoy another implosion from us. Whereas the likes of Leicester, Villa, West Ham, you don’t see anywhere near the same level of mockery and criticism of the club or individual players.

 

[Shibbywiggles]

There’s a bit of that yeah but there’s also what I feel is unecessary criticism of us in comparison to similar clubs of our standing for no other reason than Liverpool don’t like us and therefore their media acolytes set an agenda. Pickford is a prime case, its fine for us to all hate him as he’s our keeper, but in the 17/18 season he’d be decent for us, coming off the back of decent form for Sunderland. Even before he went to the World Cup there was some negative press on him because the media wanted Butland Heaton or Pope to go (quite how being backup at Burnley or relegated with Stoke puts you ahead of being Everton’s number one.). During the World Cup he got panned for the goal against Belgium (might not even be his fault) before eventually getting some decent press for good performances against Columbia and especially Sweden. After the World Cup though it’s like the media couldn’t wait for him to fail, and of course his error against Origi was like they’d died and gone to heaven. Every slight error he makes now has them questioning whether he should be England number one. That’s fine but it’s the glee they do it with. Looking across the league there’s keepers with far better reputations making way more errors than him (e.g Lloris). Yet they’re barely being mentioned. Same with bad tackles, ive never heard one mentioned as much as Pickford’s (and Pickfords was accidental!).

I’m all for getting bad coverage when we deserve it but last time I looked we were having a decent season still in the hunt for Europe and the FA cup whilst other teams threw the domestic trophies. There’s always a feeling though that the media would enjoy another implosion from us. Whereas the likes of Leicester, Villa, West Ham, you don’t see anywhere near the same level of mockery and criticism of the club or individual players.

I think the Pickford thing is because it’s click bait that works outside of evertonians. No other fan cares if Richarlison is on a terrible run for scoring or Coleman can’t get in the team anymore over a CB being played out of position but when the England number one does something crap, it’s big news. The same happened with Joe Hart, he was massively over-scrutinised whereas Pope could be the bright new replacement so he’s over-praised.

Kane not scoring for a few games is met with question marks but DCL going through a dry patch was met mostly with talk about how good he was doing and that he’s still very dangerous and important to our play.

People want to read about the next big thing and the established norm doing badly... it’s why the SSN app headline has been Keane’s quote that Liverpool are bad champions all morning because people want to read them getting slagged off.

 

[Bluerover]

Was just annoying on Saturday having Neville slag us off the whole match whilst we were behind. He was laying into Olsen for slipping over. Laying into James for not getting the ball forward. Yet when Liverpool get demolished by City it’s all about how Allison is world class and he’s just made an error, Liverpool have a load of mitigations as to why they’ve been beaten.

You look at the two clubs and the resources available, the context the two managers started and this season one team is probably overachieving a bit and one is massively underachieving. Yet Everton get criticised all the time, they can’t wait for Pickford to mess up, they love to bash James, Richarlison is a diver. It’s probably only DCL from the England national team slant that gets any praise. Liverpool meanwhile have the media fawning over Allison, ‘Trent’, Thiago, Henderson, Salah, to a ridiculous extent. If they win a game the title challenge is back on and they’re once again the best team ever.

As has been posted elsewhere, Tyler's attempt to justify by saying how cold it was, and how he hadn't been well was cringeworthy. I have never heard the like in my life in any professional sports commentary

There was an Irish comedienne, Maureen Potter RIP, who was defending her young son for not winning a race in school sports. "He would have won only the wind was in his face!!!" But that was deliberate comedy.

Tyler needs to retire asap.

 

[Tipp blue]

Dermot Gallagher is on sky sports news to discuss the incidents from the weekend.. I wonder what he'll say about Salah diving or will it be discussed?

 

[Bullens Rd]

It's the rs and utd week after week after week. It's ridiculous how many they get away with but the worst thing about it is we aren't surprised. They use VAR when they want, they don't use VAR when they should, they use VAR and still manage to get the decision wrong.

Oliver should have double checked VAR, seen Salah simulate getting shot and pulled him up by saying "you know what, if you'd gone down normally I probably would have given you the pen, but the fact you tried to con me wirh the dive, I'm going to book you for simulation".

But they won't.

Salah, Fernandes, Mane, take the audio off the TV and listen to the screams they do when they barely get touched. It's conning the ref but the refs fall for it.

I genuinely don't think it's the refs "falling" for it - they will know full well that it isn't a foul but award the penalty anyway. Don't forget last season, Fernandes for United actually fouled a played on the edge of the area, and HE was awarded a penalty for it. Possibly the single worst decision I've ever seen in my life.

The referees are in on it as are the VAR officials. It's obvious when dives like that yesterday aren't even reviewed when it's clearly no foul, yet other decisions that ARE clear get reviewed for minutes at a time.

And no coincidence who is top of the penalty league, Leicester aside in that freak game away to City where they got 3 in one game; United, Chelsea, City and Liverpool, with Brighton randomly thrown in there too.

Salah alone has scored 3x more in penalties than we've been awarded all season. So come the end of the season when he's got 25 goals - with 11 of them penalties (that's what he's on track for) - he's rewarded with the Golden Boot, Player of the Season and no doubt Puskas Award and Ballon D'Or, all thanks to his cheating in getting and converting a dozen penalties.

 

[Bullens Rd]

Is that a piss-take account?

It's honestly difficult to tell with bulbs like him

The sad thing about his play acting to the hundreds of thousands of people who watch him is that he's laughing all the way to the bank - he'll earn more from ads on his channel than almost all of us on this forum do in our regular jobs each month.

 

[DanEFC92]

 

[arch stanton]

I watched the game on a stream from Malaysia yesterday where the two pundits were Dirk Kuyt & Paul Dickov with the notorious Jim Beglin as the co-commenator. There was one incident with Salah late in the game when he was in the centre circle and a pass came to him. The ball was immediately taken off him by a City player who didn't go anywhere near him. Salah did his trick of throwing his hands up in the air and going down like he had been shot by sniper!
It really was a disgusting piece of play acting. The commentator said 'we won't even talk about that dive from Salah'. Why not? It really was truly blatant. He should have been booked but Michael Oliver didn't even look at him. It really is about time that Salah was called out by all of the media for his blatant cheating. He really is an obnoxious footballer.


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I noticed that one too, very similar to the penalty, very minimal contact.

 

[Yid4life]

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[PaulPowersTash]

There’s a bit of that yeah but there’s also what I feel is unecessary criticism of us in comparison to similar clubs of our standing for no other reason than Liverpool don’t like us and therefore their media acolytes set an agenda. Pickford is a prime case, its fine for us to all hate him as he’s our keeper, but in the 17/18 season he’d be decent for us, coming off the back of decent form for Sunderland. Even before he went to the World Cup there was some negative press on him because the media wanted Butland Heaton or Pope to go (quite how being backup at Burnley or relegated with Stoke puts you ahead of being Everton’s number one.). During the World Cup he got panned for the goal against Belgium (might not even be his fault) before eventually getting some decent press for good performances against Columbia and especially Sweden. After the World Cup though it’s like the media couldn’t wait for him to fail, and of course his error against Origi was like they’d died and gone to heaven. Every slight error he makes now has them questioning whether he should be England number one. That’s fine but it’s the glee they do it with. Looking across the league there’s keepers with far better reputations making way more errors than him (e.g Lloris). Yet they’re barely being mentioned. Same with bad tackles, ive never heard one mentioned as much as Pickford’s (and Pickfords was accidental!).

I’m all for getting bad coverage when we deserve it but last time I looked we were having a decent season still in the hunt for Europe and the FA cup whilst other teams threw the domestic trophies. There’s always a feeling though that the media would enjoy another implosion from us. Whereas the likes of Leicester, Villa, West Ham, you don’t see anywhere near the same level of mockery and criticism of the club or individual players.

Excellent post.
I have posted before it is a media agenda and they work in concert together. It is blatantly obvious they do.
Bad press / articles / TV coverage etc about Everton generates hits & clicks from the legions of Liverpool armchair supporters in London, Dublin, Asia & beyond. That's why they do it. Good press about Everton does not. There is no such thing as reasoned, balanced, objective journalism these days. It doesn't exisit. The so called 'journalists' in the newspapers (think Oliver Holt) and on TV are just fanboy cheerleaders for their own clubs (think Carragher & Neville). They play out the media script and agenda to serve their own purpose. Liverpool & United equals good. Everton & City equals bad. That's the business model. Just you wait till you win something or take Liverpool's place in the top four. The bad press will increase by x100 and I'm not joking. It's relentless. It's just so transparent it's a joke. The bias is not even subtle or implicit. It is blatant and explicit (think SKY TV and the BBC). You just have to let it go and not let it get you down, because that's exactly why they do it. Once you eventually get your head around that, you can sit back, laugh at them and enjoy it. However, that journey is not an easy one to take...

 

[MrGrumpy]

Apparently it was a pen and the sky panel agree. Pathetic it really is