2020/21 Moise Kean

[Brett Angell Delight]

Mad to see the heads falling off over this one.

With ANY transfer, Plan A is to get a good player, Plan B is to not make a loss on that player if they don't fit. I assume we loaned him out in the first instance because we believed in his ability and A) wanted him to get some goals and confidence and come back or B) raise his sell-on value.

Assuming he has made it clear he doesn't want to come back, we can either risk rolling the dice on another loan after this season and hope his performances are SO good that he adds enough value to offset the fact he'd have a year less left on his contract when we come to sell him, or we take a modest profit (but a profit nonetheless) now. No-brainer in my book.

Sad, because I truly believed we'd signed a gem who would make it with us, but hopefully we can reinvest in another forward who will fit that bill instead.

 

[MACCA75]

Not sure why people think his value has gone up significantly in 18 months. He’s been absolute rubbish for the large part of it.

 

[BigDuncTributeBand]

Mad to see the heads falling off over this one.

With ANY transfer, Plan A is to get a good player, Plan B is to not make a loss on that player if they don't fit. I assume we loaned him out in the first instance because we believed in his ability and A) wanted him to get some goals and confidence and come back or B) raise his sell-on value.

Assuming he has made it clear he doesn't want to come back, we can either risk rolling the dice on another loan after this season and hope his performances are SO good that he adds enough value to offset the fact he'd have a year less left on his contract when we come to sell him, or we take a modest profit (but a profit nonetheless) now. No-brainer in my book.

Sad, because I truly believed we'd signed a gem who would make it with us, but hopefully we can reinvest in another forward who will fit that bill instead.

If you buy something and decide you don’t want it, your plan is simply to sell without making a loss. Regardless of whether that thing has increased in value or potential value since you bought it?

With respect, that’s nobody’s plan, except maybe serial bankrupts.

If the value or potential value of a thing is higher than when bought, you don’t have to be a business whizz to work out selling at “cost” isn’t a great business plan.

If we sell for 30mil and in a year or so his value is significantly higher, I can expect you to be on here defending the fee because we didn’t make a loss when we sold? Please.

 

[ValBlue]

31million? Profit on a player that doesn’t want to be hear and our relationship with PSG gets even healthier, good move for all parties considering we reinvest in another attacker (pref RW)

 

[Brett Angell Delight]

If you buy something and decide you don’t want it, your plan is simply to sell without making a loss. Regardless of whether that thing has increased in value or potential value since you bought it?

With respect, that’s nobody’s plan, except maybe serial bankrupts.

If the value or potential value of a thing is higher than when bought, you don’t have to be a business whizz to work out selling at “cost” isn’t a great business plan.

If we sell for 30mil and in a year or so his value is significantly higher, I can expect you to be on here defending the fee because we didn’t make a loss when we sold? Please.

Reverting to Plan B in the first place suggests that he was not, in fact, a good player for us. At the end of year 1, therefore we can reasonably expect his value to have diminished (didn't play well/much and has one year less on his contract).

We are now 1.5 years in and in a position to either make a modest profit on the transfer (and a healthier one on in accounting terms, if you want to get all Esk about it) or hold on and *hope* that the 1 year of poor form was the fluke as opposed to the couple of months of decent form, and even then any additional fee we can hope to expect as a result of continued good form has to offset the decrease in value that we'll see from another half a year having ticked down off his contract.

Add to this the fact that - if this rumour is to be believed - there is ONE club in for his signature. The laws of supply and demand aren't exactly in our favour, therefore.

But yeah, no, let's just stamp our feet and demand more because in a year his value might be more, and keep doing that until his contract runs down and he leaves for nothing.

 

[Nymzee]

I think we can all agree on that!

Thats the point really though isn't it? It's all very easy to hypothetically state what we would do, but actually doing the job and being the person who makes the decisions is a lot harder.

Yeh but some hypothetical statements are dumber than others.

 

[flibbyflob]

I’d be looking for £40m. A. It’s PSG and B. He’s been banging them in for them

Plus you never accept the first bid as they will come back with more. If we turn down £31m they will come back with £35m at least.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Whats interesting is if Kean's wages are being paid by PSG as part of the loan it makes little sense for Everton to sell now when if we sold in the summer we'll make more profit on the books FFP speaking.

I cant see what Everton stand to gain selling him now.

 

[Brett Angell Delight]

Whats interesting is if Kean's wages are being paid by PSG as part of the loan it makes little sense for Everton to sell now when if we sold in the summer we'll make more profit on the books FFP speaking.

I cant see what Everton stand to gain selling him now.

That's assuming we can command the same/a bigger fee at the end of the season. A few bad games and his value will take a hit.

 

[Bluestar]

If you buy something and decide you don’t want it, your plan is simply to sell without making a loss. Regardless of whether that thing has increased in value or potential value since you bought it?

With respect, that’s nobody’s plan, except maybe serial bankrupts.

If the value or potential value of a thing is higher than when bought, you don’t have to be a business whizz to work out selling at “cost” isn’t a great business plan.

If we sell for 30mil and in a year or so his value is significantly higher, I can expect you to be on here defending the fee because we didn’t make a loss when we sold? Please.

You hav obviously not been following our transfer business over the last few years.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

That's assuming we can command the same/a bigger fee at the end of the season. A few bad games and his value will take a hit.

True - I think PSG want it doing now to avoid a potential bidding war in the summer as he'll likely keep scoring in the standard of that league with the players he has around him.

For me hold firm and demand £40 million or GTF. I wouldn't be shocked if EFC leaked this story to the media in an effort to try drum up other interest/make PSG agree to more money to get a quick deal done now.

 

[Brett Angell Delight]

True - I think PSG want it doing now to avoid a potential bidding war in the summer as he'll likely keep scoring in the standard of that league with the players he has around him.

For me hold firm and demand £40 million or GTF. I wouldn't be shocked if EFC leaked this story to the media in an effort to try drum up other interest/make PSG agree to more money to get a quick deal done now.

Could very well be the case. I think trying to do business in Jan - for forwards especially - is a mug's game, but I have also seen how quickly this lad's head can drop and can imagine how that might impact his value come the summer.

It's a tricky one, for sure, but personally I'd take the money and run now. He could absolutely still go on to be a superstar, but also he could well find himself drifting around mid-table European clubs.

 

[-Rob-]

I would happily sell Kean at any price over £27m right now. He's never going to come back to the club because he was utterly useless when he was here and desparate to get away. During his time with Everton he would have been lucky to be valued at £10m. After a few good months with PSG we're in a position to get some money back and I'd take it. Spend the money on another young, rising star and hope it works out a lot better this time.

 

[Eggs]

...seems good business considering many posters thought we’d lose a lot of money on this lad. He was ineffective for us, best to reinvest in a player who can have a positive impact.

 

[micknick]

...seems good business considering many posters thought we’d lose a lot of money on this lad. He was ineffective for us, best to reinvest in a player who can have a positive impact.

Do you not think he had potential to be a very good striker mate?