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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 3


ChesterBlue99 said:
OK, I'm assuming you're white. Have you spoken to a person of colour or done 1/10th of a minutes research into the reason behind taking a knee.

Have a go at the RS for most things, but using this against them is pretty distasteful in my mind. They didn't come up with the protest. It's been used for years before the Minneapolis police murdered George Floyd. If you can't see past that, then I guess there's nothing they can do that you'd even not comment on and would be as well off just ignoring everything in the media related to them
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And surely as a football fan, you can see this was done purely to draw attention to themselves once again.
If the rs had consistently taken a stand against racism then fair enough. But I think the evidence of recent years speaks for itself.
 
ChesterBlue99 said:
That's perfectly understandable and a legitimate criticism in my eyes. What is a little odd is linking the act of taking a knee by anyone as some kind of weird gesture to the murder of George Floyd which was my point.

Obviously that makes me a kopite in some people's eyes seemingly judging by the "reaction score". Presumably that matters to five year old kids o_O
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And if you want some 'evidence' as to my 'research', my two teenage kids pointed out to me how odd they thought that gesture was, given the manner of Floyd's death.
Perhaps it matters to 14 and 16 year old kids too.
 

SantaClausisanEvertonian said:
And if you want some 'evidence' as to my 'research', my two teenage kids pointed out to me how odd they thought that gesture was, given the manner of Floyd's death.
Perhaps it matters to 14 and 16 year old kids too.
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Unless you're the person who anonymously score me -2 it wasn't aimed at you or your children. It was aimed at the presumably grown adults on here who are acting like small children.

You're aware of Colin Kaepernick and his protest dating back to 2016? You're aware Leicester, Chelsea and Wolves amongst others have done the same?

Have a go at them for trying to take advantage of a political/social statement. But drawing a parallel between a widely utilised protest and the murder of George Floyd is in my eyes very weird.

If that's the main thing you're taking away from it, you're priorities in my mind are a little off centre
 
ChesterBlue99 said:
Unless you're the person who anonymously score me -2 it wasn't aimed at you or your children. It was aimed at the presumably grown adults on here who are acting like small children.

You're aware of Colin Kaepernick and his protest dating back to 2016? You're aware Leicester, Chelsea and Wolves amongst others have done the same?

Have a go at them for trying to take advantage of a political/social statement. But drawing a parallel between a widely utilised protest and the murder of George Floyd is in my eyes very weird.

If that's the main thing you're taking away from it, you're priorities in my mind are a little off centre
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I just think it's a bit tokenistic and looks to appropriate the capital built up by anti-racism protesters rather than add to it. I hope we don't do it for the same reasons. I thought our protest was far more dignified, measured and respectful.

The other point in all of this is that if you really cared about racism you wouldn't be forcing black and asian footballers to return to play a game, without social distance when you know it's more dangerous for them. Especially not when you know leading BAME footballers have highlighted their concerns and have just been met with shrugs when extra supports have been requested. If a club was really concerned about racism they would show it in some sort of meaningful way. SO for Liverpool that would mean actively and openly campaigning against a return this season on the grounds of safety for the BAME employees within their sector.

They have shown no intention of doing it, they just want to divert the praise that is meant and needed for BAME people for themselves, while doing sweet nothing on the major issue they actually have some control over. If they refused to play any of the rest of their games, due to safety of their BAME players, and risk a minus 3 points for every game missed, you know I'd actually hold them with some degree of respect and say, you are matching the spirit of taking the knee. Until then, it's an empty gesture from a club who refuse to publicly apologise for it's own undeniable racism.
 
ChesterBlue99 said:
Unless you're the person who anonymously score me -2 it wasn't aimed at you or your children. It was aimed at the presumably grown adults on here who are acting like small children.

You're aware of Colin Kaepernick and his protest dating back to 2016? You're aware Leicester, Chelsea and Wolves amongst others have done the same?

Have a go at them for trying to take advantage of a political/social statement. But drawing a parallel between a widely utilised protest and the murder of George Floyd is in my eyes very weird.

If that's the main thing you're taking away from it, you're priorities in my mind are a little off centre
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I think the main thing people are trying to get at, is all their fans try and jump on anything positive and make it all about them. Look at sir tom moore, does a hreat selfless act, so their fans start doing what they always do and get YNWA as a song to accompany it, they probably didn't even consider him in any of it, just wanted to get that song played again, they do it with everything.

Then we move onto the club, they're trying to pretend it was spontaneous.... What, with a camera 50 ft in the air. As has been mentioned, other clubs have done the same and i didn't even hear about it, probably because they just did it, they didn't gather all the media and press to make sure they knew it'd been done. If LFC felt so strongly about racism, they would have acted with the firminho incident, they didn't, they blindly stick by their player. They didn't condemn their fans for trawling through Holgate's twitter feed from when he was a minor.

Again with suarez, they blindly backed their player, even after he openly admitted being a racist. The young oldham lad too. We see so many pictures of their fans being racist on the Internet, the club don't do anything about it. They've pretty much openly supported racism and that's why our fans find this whole act to be a publicity stunt. Wolves and Leicester don't have the same history, so no wonder they're given the benefit of the doubt, we believe their act to be more genuine based on history.

The RS are canny, they know their football club is riddled with disgusting episodes in their past, so every time something can be gained, we always see them jumping at the chance, that's pure guilt if you ever needed it.
 
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ChesterBlue99 said:
Unless you're the person who anonymously score me -2 it wasn't aimed at you or your children. It was aimed at the presumably grown adults on here who are acting like small children.

You're aware of Colin Kaepernick and his protest dating back to 2016? You're aware Leicester, Chelsea and Wolves amongst others have done the same?

Have a go at them for trying to take advantage of a political/social statement. But drawing a parallel between a widely utilised protest and the murder of George Floyd is in my eyes very weird.

If that's the main thing you're taking away from it, you're priorities in my mind are a little off centre
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I think it's with their murdering, racist history, they wish there was a black man under their knees.
 
catcherintherye said:
I just think it's a bit tokenistic and looks to appropriate the capital built up by anti-racism protesters rather than add to it. I hope we don't do it for the same reasons. I thought our protest was far more dignified, measured and respectful.

The other point in all of this is that if you really cared about racism you wouldn't be forcing black and asian footballers to return to play a game, without social distance when you know it's more dangerous for them. Especially not when you know leading BAME footballers have highlighted their concerns and have just been met with shrugs when extra supports have been requested. If a club was really concerned about racism they would show it in some sort of meaningful way. SO for Liverpool that would mean actively and openly campaigning against a return this season on the grounds of safety for the BAME employees within their sector.

They have shown no intention of doing it, they just want to divert the praise that is meant and needed for BAME people for themselves, while doing sweet nothing on the major issue they actually have some control over. If they refused to play any of the rest of their games, due to safety of their BAME players, and risk a minus 3 points for every game missed, you know I'd actually hold them with some degree of respect and say, you are matching the spirit of taking the knee. Until then, it's an empty gesture from a club who refuse to publicly apologise for it's own undeniable racism.
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It probably wasn't your intention but I think it is wrong and dangerous to equate BAME footballers with a higher risk of a serious outcome from COVID-19. There is no known genetic susceptibility that means people from a BAME background have a worse outcome.

It is far simpler than that. BAME people have a worse outcome because of their socioeconomic status. Once you take out deprivation and underlying medical conditions that are often caused by deprivation then the playing field is levelled.

This isn't about the BAME population needing to be protected from football it is about the BAME population being protected from austerity and deprivation.
 

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