Usmanov

[catcherintherye]

Exactly. You can understand the concern as you cannot have somebody with an existing interest in the club pumping in mega millions that would never in a million years be achieved elsewhere (well, like I said, City did and got away with it). But you're absolutely right - there appears to be no process set up to determine this market value. What's 30m anyway, Liverpool get more than that every year for the sleeve sponsor on their training kit.

Well precisely. And City got away with it, so the market is set. If Everton got a sponsorship in line with that, it's broadly what you expect from the market. So no amount of whining is going to work.

 

[Archie Knox]

Well precisely. And City got away with it, so the market is set. If Everton got a sponsorship in line with that, it's broadly what you expect from the market. So no amount of whining is going to work.

But I am sure you wouldn't be surprised if the FA wrote up some form of guidelines that base it on league position or number of club shirts told in Norway, etc, would you? In any case I am not concerned in the slightest!

 

[catcherintherye]

Again a lack of knowledge. The deals will not be looked at over the coming days. They will be looked at when our 2020 accounts go in to the FA. If we qualify for European competition they will also go in to UEFA. As you say if the amounts involved are at a fair value then there will be no action. The problem is despite commercial revenue going in from USM and associated companies we have still posted a colossal loss. what we need is better management of our resources and to stop complaing about not being allowed to waste even more money



We are not talking about trade bodies, we are talking about organisations that run sporting competitions. Regarding Bosman that was an individual not a Club.



You have gone backtracked faster than an Italian tank there my good friend.

They are already reported to be being looked at. And I agree, we can improve performance, and defend the integrity of sponsorship deals simultaneously. They are not mutually exclusive.

We are talking about businesses, that have pooled together to set up some rules for their area. These will not be sovereign over the wider law within the country.

I haven't backtracked. I have reiterated that the European Court is our highest court as things stand, so in essence "supreme" as stipulated. You acknowledged this in your reply, which is appreciated but not necessarily required.

 

[catcherintherye]

But I am sure you wouldn't be surprised if the FA wrote up some form of guidelines that base it on league position or number of club shirts told in Norway, etc, would you? In any case I am not concerned in the slightest!

Well they'd look utterly stupid if they did that, and would be torn apart legally. As I said, short of signing a deal worth £200m per season, we will be fine.

 

[Archie Knox]

Well they'd look utterly stupid if they did that, and would be torn apart legally. As I said, short of signing a deal worth £200m per season, we will be fine.

I know we will.

 

[blueblue]

We cannot be penalised just because we are Everton... even though it seems like it sometimes.

We will have breached FFP rules or we won't, if there is any ambiguity in the rules then you will almost definitely see the courts being asked to decide what is right or wrong.
I think we have seen the rules are not crystal clear and it will be fascinating to see how the injection of 30 m by USM will be regarded.
If we do now have a Moshiri/Usmanov double act I think they will want to force their way into the top four as quickly as possible and that means investing a lot of money into the club and breaking or at least twisting the rules completely out of shape.

 

[Tipp blue]

Why is there so much fuss over 30 million that's what you'd pay for a poor to average player these days.

 

[TrachyBlue]

Your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

You want everyone to follow your set of rules without question but then laud Usmanov for his ingenuity in getting around the current rules. The best bit is you trying to claim the moral highground a year after we got a two year ban for poaching academy players.

You are incredibly obnoxious and patronising in your manner. It reminds me of the manner of certain supporters from another particular club.

 

[gwladysnight]

He wasn't an individual. He was a player, under contract from a club who has signed up to the rules you seem to view as sacrosanct. So there is a duality there, not only the rules clubs sign up to, but he signed up on contract to them.

And the law threw out the rules of football as not worth the paper they were written on. You can write pretty much whatever you like as a gentleman agreement, which works to a point but it's not enforceable is it contravenes the laws of the country you operate in.

I don't wish to throw about insulting words (though you seem to relish it) but the real naive one here is you, who seems to have the rules of football on this pedestal like they've been ordained by Moses or whatever. They are a few guiding principles, and if challenged by the law of the land would quickly come unstuck. This would be a massively expensive and onerous mistake for the PL if they went down this path. Hence why, as long as Usmanov's sponsorship stay roughly in line with what other top PL clubs get, we will never be hassled.

Bosman was about the freedom of movement of workers. Are you suggesting that making a judgement regarding the value of a sponsorship has anything to do with Freedom of movement of workers ?

Regarding Usmanov of course the won't be a problem if Usmanov's sponsorship stays roughly in line with what other similar clubs get. That is the whole point of fair value. What we need to do is to get much better at making the most of our resources. Increasing revenue, recruiting better and above all showing patience. Which means we will stop paying tens of millions to get rid of managers.

We can have a brilliant future but we need to stop excusing the poor management of the Club. that means we need to stop pretending that Moshiri or Usmanov means we can continue to be run badly.

 

[gwladysnight]

You are incredibly obnoxious and patronising in your manner. It reminds me of the manner of certain supporters from another particular club.

I apologise if I have upset anyone.

 

[Brisan123]

Why is there so much fuss over 30 million that's what you'd pay for a poor to average player these days.

The fear is that its the first snowflake in a snowstorm

 

[Brisan123]

Bosman was about the freedom of movement of workers. Are you suggesting that making a judgement regarding the value of a sponsorship has anything to do with Freedom of movement of workers ?

Regarding Usmanov of course the won't be a problem if Usmanov's sponsorship stays roughly in line with what other similar clubs get. That is the whole point of fair value. What we need to do is to get much better at making the most of our resources. Increasing revenue, recruiting better and above all showing patience. Which means we will stop paying tens of millions to get rid of managers.

We can have a brilliant future but we need to stop excusing the poor management of the Club. that means we need to stop pretending that Moshiri or Usmanov means we can continue to be run badly.

That is the whole point of fair value. What we need to do is to get much better at making the most of our resources. Increasing revenue, recruiting better and above all showing patience. Which means we will stop paying tens of millions to get rid of managers.

City are well run now as are PSG.
However that was not always the case.
City wasted some ridiculous money on bad or average players to get them where they are now .as did PSG
Its easy to be well run when you have the best team in the league for the last 5 years or so
Success brings its own rewards in financial terms
We just want to get to the stage where we can compete on a fair footing

 

[gwladysnight]

Well precisely. And City got away with it, so the market is set. If Everton got a sponsorship in line with that, it's broadly what you expect from the market. So no amount of whining is going to work.

City didn't get away with it.

In 2014 they were fined £49m, had a spending cap introduced had their squad for the Champions League reduced by one player and had to agree not to increase their wage bill.

They have been charged for a second time and are awaiting the decision of the CFCB after an appeal to the CAS was thrown out.

 

[gwladysnight]

City are well run now as are PSG.
However that was not always the case.
City wasted some ridiculous money on bad or average players to get them where they are now .as did PSG
Its easy to be well run when you have the best team in the league for the last 5 years or so
Success brings its own rewards in financial terms
We just want to get to the stage where we can compete on a fair footing

The way to compete on a fair footing is to get the Stadium, funded built and to increase revenues. Our owners seem extremely reluctant to do that though. That is the basis of my scepticism. If as has been suggested we are owned by Usmanov and he is going to throw money at us then there wouldn't be any funding issues. We also wouldn't be taking a payday loan from Rights and Media Funding Limited.

We wouldn't have a charge on our future season ticket revenues.

 

[ToothPlucker]

City didn't get away with it.

In 2014 they were fined £49m, had a spending cap introduced had their squad for the Champions League reduced by one player and had to agree not to increase their wage bill.

They have been charged for a second time and are awaiting the decision of the CFCB after an appeal to the CAS was thrown out.

32m of the 49m fine was suspended/wiped out I think. There will be repercussions for us if we can't sort this out in coming seasons and our spending big will have to cease unless sales or another solution is found. There is no set punishment for failing to comply with FFP but Everton seem to be a club used as a punching bag for firsts.