Should we sell Arteta to make space for Rodwell?

allanefc1 · January 25, 2011

rob1757 said:
well i'd say Rodwell should be in the starting 11 until Arteta finds his way again..Arteta stayed when most thought he'd walk so we should be patient with him. he'll come good.

This^^^^

Great Dane · January 25, 2011

mawders said:
So, we apparently have an 20m plus asset on our hands in Rodwell. But he can't get in Central Mid because of the Arteta-Felli partnership. Looking to the future, and maybe to stop Man Utd jumping in offering riches and more importantly first team football, should we sell Arteta to make space.

I think it's time for a squad overhaul...maybe this squad has gone as far as it can. So Pienaar gone too, maybe the future should be Billy-Rodwell_Felli_Coleman midfield. Lets face it, Arteta is having a bad season...maybe his form will return but for how long is Rodwell going to hang around for. Get 10m for Arteta, and use it to buy a striker.

Or at least drop Arteta for a few games and let Rodwell come in

I agree - would rather sell Arteta than Rodwell

Jamokachi · January 25, 2011

Not for me. Arteta is being made into a little scapegoat this season and I feel that the new system played in midfield is more to do with his lack of form than anything.

Arteta, when played centrally, works best when he operates in between the lines of midfield and attack, helping to create tha final ball and create some attacking cohesion. However at the moment he's operating inbetween the lines of defence and midfield, nullifying his effectivness. The lack of movement throughout the team and the defences inability to pick out a pass means that he's having to drop deeper and deeper to be able to get into the game. When he does get the ball more often than not there's nobody making anymoves so a sideways pass is all thats on.

Arteta still has a massive role to play for us, we just need to have him deployed in a more effective role than he's currently playing in. For me, at least, it's down to Moyes to now get the best out of him.

Get_Jo_On · January 25, 2011

So let me see if I fully understand?

Drop Arteta cos' he's playing badly and put in a lad who's been playing badly?

I mean, Rodwell hasn't been exactly setting the world on fire since returning from injury. Maybe Rodwell would do well to get a start but if you check our fixtures, there's only one who I'd want starting against them! (That Basque one btw)

Robert Jarvis · January 25, 2011

Sell Arteta, not yet IMO. I do not think any club has an interest in him anyway.

Dom1878 · January 25, 2011

Its a spot of bad form. Arteta has consistently been the best player in our team, and because he is out of form we want to sell him? As has been said, the same thing happened with Cahill, really isnt any loyalty in the fans really.

He's had half a season of bad form, give him a chance. Im betting all those who said Cahill out are regretting that now after the amount of times he's saved our ass.

As for Rodwell not playing, well its Moyes. Unless Arteta gets injured along with Osman and Fellaini, he aint gona play.

Aidey9 · January 25, 2011

Get_Jo_On said:
So let me see if I fully understand?

Drop Arteta cos' he's playing badly and put in a lad who's been playing badly?

I mean, Rodwell hasn't been exactly setting the world on fire since returning from injury. Maybe Rodwell would do well to get a start but if you check our fixtures, there's only one who I'd want starting against them! (That Basque one btw)

This!.

Even out of form, Arteta brings more to the team than Rodwell, even though he's not playing well he still doesnt shy away from the ball and wants to be on it, whenever i see Rodwell he's nothing like Arteta or Felli for that matter in that he makes space for himself and wants to be on the ball.

And your point makes loads of sense Mawders aye, sell one of our best midfielders for £10m and keep a bench warmer at best who could possibly bring in a fee of 20 to 25 million, more than double the amount and money that could possibly buy us 2 or 3 good players cos believe me, if we sold Arteta for £10m to fund are moves for a striker then who do you expect to replace Arteta with, Rodwell, is that what your saying?! Pffft, dont make me laugh, Rodwell couldnt lace Arteta's boots, he's not a patch on Arteta and form is tempary, class is permenant and he will find his feet soon enough!.

Thats why im for selling Rodwell to fund our own squad improvemants cos with are current central midfield players and the emergance of Barkley when he recovers from his injury, we can afford to sacrifice Rodwell for a nice big fee and buy players that we need for other more important areas in the team cos we need more than just a good striker that can finish IMO. I mean dont get me wrong, Rodwell will get better in years to come but i still dont think he will be better than Arteta or Felli and if he makes a full recovery, i honestly think Barkley will come on and be better than Rodwell aswell.

EFCTim Cahill · January 25, 2011

Arteta's a world-beater on form and Rodwell' not yet developed into the final product yet and i'm still not sure what that will be, arteta is vital to us when he is on form, Rodwell isn't so no it's a bad idea.

Aidey9 · January 25, 2011

I mean all of you ask yourself this, if we was to sell either Rodwell or Arteta in the summer, which one would get our minds thinking 'i wish we never let him go now'?.

It would be Arteta everytime for me, i dont think Rodwell would make me think like that as he hasnt stamped is mark on Everton at all yet like Arteta as, Rodwell hasnt made such an impact for me where i think we would be mad to sell him and i honestly dont see anything that special in him to suggest we'll miss him badly if we was to get rid.

njligernj · January 25, 2011

mawders said:
So, we apparently have an 20m plus asset on our hands in Rodwell. But he can't get in Central Mid because of the Arteta-Felli partnership. Looking to the future, and maybe to stop Man Utd jumping in offering riches and more importantly first team football, should we sell Arteta to make space.

Not to be cynical but I think the most likely outcome from that scenario is we sell Arteta, play Rodwell every game next year, then ManU come in with 25-30mil in the summer and we've lost both of them. The only way your scenario makes sense is that if we're sure Rodwell wouldn't leave and while I've heard good things about his character I can't see how in this day and age you can be that sure with anyone.

We could just drop Arteta for Rodwell; play Arteta at RM and try Coleman at RB; play Rodwell in a five man midfield ... lots of options that don't involve selling a great player because of 6 months or poor form.

Aidey9 · January 25, 2011

I look at it this way, in a 4-4-2 i'd go with Felli and Arteta everytime, with 4-5-1 i'd go with Felli, Arteta and Cahill and if not Cahill off the striker, then i'd go with Bily personally, all those ahead of Rodwell.

Another thing i look at is that Rodwell became a permenant fixture in the first team squad the year we bought Felli and i know Felli as a couple of years in age on Rodders but look how the 2 of them have come along since being apart of the Everton first team, Felli as improved year in year out and come back from a very bad injury better than ever, Rodwell for me as stood still, not improved at all, there's no consistancy with him, he as his good moments but there few and far between, Felli seems to get better game by game.

Now i know this thread was about basically replacing Rodwell with Arteta once we'd sold the best little Spaniard we know but it's not even worth the time of thinking about it, Rodders would never replace or take arteta's place in our side so im looking at the case to possibly put him in for Felli but thats a no go aswell as far as im concerened as he isnt a patch on Felli either and he isnt even good enough to take Cahill's place playing off the striker either, he hasnt got that goalscoring instinct or ability to ghost in and get on the end of things like Cahill does, atleast with Bily (as i mentioned him above) he as the technique, creativity and shooting/goalscoring abilty to play off the striker.

For me we could sacrifice Rodwell for more money to help us with our spending and abilty to buy more quality in the areas of the team that we do need, and we already have young Barkley coming up through the ranks to take over Rodwell's mantle of the next young hopefull in our squad, IMO, this time round in the summer, we can afford to let someone like Rodwell go for an handsome fee to help us fund our own improvemants.

Goat · January 25, 2011

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Cash · January 25, 2011

YES, lets sell Arteta our only remaining playmaker and bring in Rodwell. :dodgy:

Rodwell is a quality player - no doubt. But not yet ready to fill Arteta's boots!

Billy-Rodwell_Felli_Coleman - What a terrible midfield!

ToxtethBlue · January 25, 2011

Aidey9 said:
I look at it this way, in a 4-4-2 i'd go with Felli and Arteta everytime, with 4-5-1 i'd go with Felli, Arteta and Cahill and if not Cahill off the striker, then i'd go with Bily personally, all those ahead of Rodwell.

Another thing i look at is that Rodwell became a permenant fixture in the first team squad the year we bought Felli and i know Felli as a couple of years in age on Rodders but look how the 2 of them have come along since being apart of the Everton first team, Felli as improved year in year out and come back from a very bad injury better than ever, Rodwell for me as stood still, not improved at all, there's no consistancy with him, he as his good moments but there few and far between, Felli seems to get better game by game.

Now i know this thread was about basically replacing Rodwell with Arteta once we'd sold the best little Spaniard we know but it's not even worth the time of thinking about it, Rodders would never replace or take arteta's place in our side so im looking at the case to possibly put him in for Felli but thats a no go aswell as far as im concerened as he isnt a patch on Felli either and he isnt even good enough to take Cahill's place playing off the striker either, he hasnt got that goalscoring instinct or ability to ghost in and get on the end of things like Cahill does, atleast with Bily (as i mentioned him above) he as the technique, creativity and shooting/goalscoring abilty to play off the striker.

For me we could sacrifice Rodwell for more money to help us with our spending and abilty to buy more quality in the areas of the team that we do need, and we already have young Barkley coming up through the ranks to take over Rodwell's mantle of the next young hopefull in our squad, IMO, this time round in the summer, we can afford to let someone like Rodwell go for an handsome fee to help us fund our own improvemants.

Not only is Fellaini about four years older than Rodwell, he also had two seasons of football, week in week out before joining us from Standard Liege. Rodwell doing it differently and will come through at a different pace given the strength in depth we already have in that position, and the strength of the League. As someone mentioned in another thread, Beckham wasn't a regular at Utd until he was 21-22, and there's lots of examples of players coming through at different paces. Steven Gerrard was hardly pulling up trees at that age, neither was Arteta.

I'd also point out that Rodwell has been playing in midfield for what, three years? He was a centre back right up until the age of 15-16, and that's where all his development took place. Now he's playing defensive midfield, attacking midfield and even wide at times. It's a huge learning curve and you have to take it into account. Anyone who saw him at Blackburn on his debut and watched him now would see the amount of improvement he's made.

I just look at his raw tools, the size, the athleticism, the fact that he's probably the most two footed player in the League, the close control and his ability to strike the ball. The things you mention can be taught and improved on. Positional sense, movement, agression and having the confidence to fully express himself is what's his lacking, it's not like he lacks pace, ability or intelligence. This isn't a talent who will drift into the lower Leagues, it just won't happen.

I agree that he shouldn't be ahead of Fellaini or Arteta but I think he could easily play in Cahill's position and do well. He hit the post against Chelsea and could have had a couple against Wigan during his recent run in the side. He does get into good positions, and that was from a deeper position. He can also do things like he did against the Manchester clubs last season.

But I do agree that It might come to the point where we have to sell him or another prized asset. The team needs strengthening and we'll struggle to do that with loans and bargain basement signings.