Sam Allardyce

[jaycee]

Didn't I mention that I want another manager? This isn't about demanding change, it's about our conduct in demanding it. I've grimaced at some of the posts and chants. It's no wonder he's compared us to Newcastle, some of our fans are acting like Geordies

Is it really that different to anything Martinez had to put up with,is it any different to the abuse any manager or player gets when their face doesnt fit? All fans are guilty of acting this way

 

[Blues Harp]

We have too many fans who are happy to accept that this is our place it seems. It's not the board who lack ambition, it's the fans sometimes.

Sorry but that is just not true..our board are completely responsible for the fans' apathy by virtue of their appalling decisions over 30 years......expectations have been dumbed down over time with people like billy liar doing his "greatest living Evertonian" spiel while sitting back and accepting the "plucky old Everton" tag. No wonder this attitude affects the fans. For us to progress this has to change, and our major shareholder has to realise this before its too late.

 

[Prevenger17]

Is it really that different to anything Martinez had to put up with,is it any different to the abuse any manager or player gets when their face doesnt fit? All fans are guilty of acting this way

Yeah, but we're 8th. No other manager would be facing this if they finished there after the start to the season we had. Even his detractors admit he has done the job he was supposed to do and then call him a fat slug in the same breath. Bit weird imo

 

[ToffeeTim]

Didn't I mention that I want another manager? This isn't about demanding change, it's about our conduct in demanding it. I've grimaced at some of the posts and chants. It's no wonder he's compared us to Newcastle, some of our fans are acting like Geordies

I'm glad we've finally seen some open opposition.

Be arsed with the kopite behaviour nonsense. If we had a bit more self respect then our board wouldn't take decisions like appointing Allardyce in the first place.

If he showed a little bit of humility then the stick wouldn't follow him absolutely everywhere he goes.

 

[edge]

Wouldn't be surprised if he stayed, can see the chairman seeing him as a safe bet, to steady things down.
He has done what he was brought in to do , keep us up, I think we were in real danger of going down unlike most who seem to think these days that somehow it would have just come good no matter who we had as manager, we were a shambles.
The two players he brought in have done ok.
Players and coaches from what we can gather from the press seem to like him.
It's not a squad he has put together himself and he has had a chance to put his mark on it.
All that might look good from outside, if you didn't watch the games, were the norm is a few shots on goal per game, slow football and zero entertainment for the fans.
It's a brand of football that the fans just can't get excited about or get behind, added to the fact the manager just isn't jelling with the fans with his attitude of f I am doing a good job , you lot don't have a fnk clue and should be thankful for me doing it.
There seems a perception that the fans of Everton football club should just show up and be happy to be in the perm and not mind the boring none entertainment put in front of them each week from the press and football world, says a lot how far we have sunk , to the outside world.
I want him gone along with the old boys club behind the scenes , fed up getting patted on the head and being plucky Little Everton, let's get back to being a club with more ambition than just make up the numbers every year.

 

[PhilEFC]

Didn't I mention that I want another manager? This isn't about demanding change, it's about our conduct in demanding it. I've grimaced at some of the posts and chants. It's no wonder he's compared us to Newcastle, some of our fans are acting like Geordies

To be fair mate, he’s brought a lot of it on himself.

His arrogance is amazing considering he’s won nothing in his career, and shows a complete lack of humility. Three teams fans all having the same opinion says something about him.

 

[Prevenger17]

Be arsed with the kopite behaviour nonsense. If we had a bit more self respect then our board wouldn't take decisions like appointing Allardyce in the first place.

Then aim your ire at the board lad. You're shouting abuse at the symptom and not the cause

 

[n01efc]

I said the league is a hybrid of 5 good teams and 15 garbage ones. The reason United are second is because the bottom 15 are used primarily for the 5 teams to see what they can get from them.

Yes but you also said the part I quoted in that the league was rubbish.

 

[PhilEFC]

Sorry but that is just not true..our board are completely responsible for the fans' apathy by virtue of their appalling decisions over 30 years......expectations have been dumbed down over time with people like billy liar doing his "greatest living Evertonian" spiel while sitting back and accepting the "plucky old Everton" tag. No wonder this attitude affects the fans. For us to progress this has to change, and our major shareholder has to realise this before its too late.

No I agree, the board are to blame as well definitely. It’s just that some people have been been brainwashed by the board and the media into believing that we are at the level that we should be at, and then are critical of others who don’t want to settle for it.

 

[kithnou]

You cannot have a manager running down his contract over the course of a season.

In this case, why not mate?

 

[MrGrumpy]

Right now I’d be happy with all of those I think. Shaw could be world class in time, Jones/Smalling decent and Wellbeck...mmm. Surely there are worst players he could bring in.

There all awful mate as well as mostly old and would be on massive salaries

 

[royalblue66]

The vitriol and opposition he is facing is all down to him and his arrogance in thinking he could treat us like we are Bolton wanderers.

He compared us to Newcastle and West ham.... he came in and started taking pot shots at Silva... what had Silva done to him? He has thrown people under the bus.... smirked when told of fan disgruntlement.

Too late for him.... he has baited the fans. The fans are letting him know he won' be excused.

Blimey... a couple of wins doesn't half change some fans overnight. We seen this with lukaku.... he could play half bothered, give an interview saying that he wanted to leave Everton. Score in the next game against a garbage team and his name gets chanted.

Think he also had a dig at Simeone.

 

[brieverton]

If he had sent us out with a bit more intent in games, the irony is we would have got seventh and a place in Europe, and even the most rabid anti-Sam protests would not have worked then.

It's a fine line and he is on the wrong side of it.

Perhaps belatedly he realises that and so we go on another mini-run in games of no real consequence and has the media offensive in full swing to remind us of our place.

I know quite a few Man Utd fans who think that Mourinho should go. Some think that preposterous too, but in the media that would be spun as a necessary form of ruthlessness and just another example of hard-nosed decision making by top class clubs.

It's a good thing that the underlying sentiment of the majority of fans can still break through the propaganda and we can still get our opinions out. We are an irrelevance to the media, but Moshiri will be in no doubt. Fair-minded pundits and reasonable folk can see the true picture.

The challenge for the club is to make some effort to control the narrative if sacking Allardyce and we are very poor at that. It should not be a case of 'thank you Sam' it should be 'Eighth is nowhere near good enough and we expect better football and better results' That sets the bar high for the next manager - we will never improve unless the whole club demands and expects that improvement from Moshiri down.

 

[BernieWright13]

I don't want him here any more than you, but the vitriol and opposition he is facing are disproportionate to the job he's done. After the start we got under Koeman, we are now 8th in the table, one below where we finished last season. With the apparent limitations of our current squad, I think we would have easily taken that under any other manager. I just find the abuse levelled at him a bit rude or something tbh

Don't concern yourself with the rudeness. Its exactly what he does to the fans. He deserves it in spades

 

[Lob]

This is a decent read from Daniel Taylor for the Guardian - https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2018/apr/29/sam-allardyce-everton

Allardyce’s Firefighter Sam job offers Everton fans too little spark

Daniel Taylor
Sun 29 Apr 2018

Everton’s football has remained lumpen since it became clear they were free of relegation danger and supporters are hardly being unreasonable wanting more

In happier times for Sam Allardyce, back in the days when he was managing Bolton Wanderers and not carrying the same baggage that now weighs him down, he wanted some advice about the best way to deal with the media if, as he confidently assumed, his career in football management was going to continue on its upward trajectory.

The man he asked was Alastair Campbell and the trick, according to Labour’s spin doctor, was to see the difficult questions coming in advance, be prepared with a diversion tactic and, if necessary, veer off on a tangent rather than providing a direct answer.

Allardyce, by his own admission, taught himself to say anything to “distract and confuse” his audience. “It was good advice,” he wrote in his 2015 autobiography, “and I learned to do it subconsciously, always conveying the message I wanted to deliver, not the one the media were after.” If anyone pointed out the question hadn’t been addressed, he explained, he was already moving on to the next subject. Switch topics, keep talking and don’t get drawn into the nitty-gritty. And, though he didn’t add these words, never be afraid to tell everyone how marvellous you are.

On that basis, it isn’t entirely easy to know what to make of his assertion that his talks with Everton’s majority shareholder, Farhad Moshiri, concluded this past week with an understanding that, contrary to what some fans might want, there was not going to be a change of manager. “We have some clarity moving forward now,” Allardyce said. “We discussed next season and if I wasn’t going to be here why would we be discussing next season at great length?”

Allardyce might want to believe that is the case – or, rather, he might want us to believe that is the case – but perhaps it is better to keep an open mind when Everton have high ambitions, with a new sporting director, Marcel Brands, joining in the summer, and there is such a weight of evidence that the manager’s relationship with large sections of the club’s fanbase has broken down.

For that, I have seen Everton’s supporters described as ungrateful, unreasonable and unrealistic when Allardyce has, after all, achieved the prime objective of keeping the club above the relegation quagmire. He has done it with something to spare and it can come as a jolt, when Everton seem to have spent the entire season in a state of near‑crisis, to find the team squatting defiantly in eighth after their win at Huddersfield, regardless of the anti-Allardyce banners and mutinous songs.

The truth, however, is that he has always been an awkward fit for a club with Everton’s aspirations. As a result, many Evertonians have found it difficult to embrace him from day one. Sometimes in football it just goes that way and it is unusual, in the extreme, that the manager forces a complete rethink. Indeed, the only time I can remember that happening is in the case of Martin O’Neill, going back more than 20 years now to his early days at Leicester City.

Leicester’s fans took a long time to recognise O’Neill’s expertise. There were protests and lots of aggro. He won them over but he kept the less complimentary letters in his desk and maybe it was true, as his friends used to say, that the “O” in O’Neill used to stand for obstinate. After Leicester’s promotion, their cup finals and top-10 finishes he would often amuse himself by digging out those letters and, in a couple of cases, ringing up some of the people who had written them.

Unfortunately for Allardyce, it is difficult to envisage the same kind of happy ending in his case. He has already lost jobs at West Ham and Newcastle because the fans could not tolerate his style of play and maybe it counts against him in his current job that Liverpool, the club Everton will always measure themselves against, are producing the kind of attacking, adventurous football they have craved at Goodison for longer than they would wish to remember.

While Everton have some of the dreariest statistics in the Premier League, Liverpool have scored at least five goals past every opponent on their way to the verge of a Champions League final – 10 over two legs against Maribor, eight against Spartak Moscow, six against Hoffenheim, five versus Sevilla, Porto, Manchester City and, in the first leg of their semi-final, Roma.

Everton, on other hand, went into the weekend 19th out of the 20 clubs in the Premier League when it comes to the number of shots they have managed on Allardyce’s watch, 19th in terms of efforts on target, 19th in chances created and 19th for attempted dribbles. Again, Allardyce can point out that the only statistics that should matter are the points that have taken the team into the top half of the table. Plainly, however, it does matter to many Everton followers. The supporters want more. Is that so unreasonable?

When Allardyce took the job he talked about an opportunity to show he was more than just a firefighter. That, more than anything, has been the most disappointing part. The football has remained lumpen since it became clear Everton were free of relegation danger. Allardyce has still been the man who substituted an attacker, Yannick Bolasie, with a centre-half, Ramiro Funes Mori, in a 1-1 draw at a Swansea side five places off the bottom. He has abandoned Davy Klaassen when surely these would be opportune moments to experiment with a £23m player. And when it comes to spinning the truth, how about his assertion that Everton were below West Brom before he took over?

That would be true if Allardyce wants to claim Everton’s 4-0 defeat of West Ham on 29 November as his own work. But it wasn’t. It was David Unsworth’s final match as caretaker manager – Allardyce watched from the directors’ box – and the win meant Everton moved up from 17th position to 13th. Allardyce, to give him his due, has moved Everton another five places up the table but he should know enough about the business to understand he cannot take anything for granted this summer, no matter what he might say in public.