Ronald Koeman discussion

[cronullasharks]

...if a team plays 3 CBs your wing backs are proactive in the opposition top third. Look at how effective Alonso and Moses are at Chelsea, regularly getting behind the opposition full backs and creating. Compare that with Baines and Kenny yesterday who rarely crossed the half way line. The reality is we play with a back 5. It’s no real foundation to build a side on.

RKs post match interview was almost defeatist, like it’s only a matter of time before a team like Arsenal punish you when you’re down to 10, but that doesn’t have to be the case. Set your team up right and 10 men are difficult to break down. Watching the body language at the match gave me the impression that the managers lack of belief is impacting the players.

I wouldn’t want Moyes back but at least the players were drilled, everybody knew their jobs and the team was organised. Newcastle don’t have outstanding individuals but Benitez has got them organised, difficult to beat and they are picking up points. Similar with Silva at Watford.

I’m embarrassed how naively our team are organised. I am embarrassed how poorly they are being coached. I’m embarrassed with the lack of belief being installed.

It's awful how poor we are without the ball, most if not every other team you can see the systems they defend with where as our team look lost. You can tell where the opposition is going to attack 3 passes before they do just by seeing how out of position our players are.

 

[Nymzee]

Normally managers have a preferred formation then sign players to fit said formation with a few extra players to allow tactical tweaks mid game.

Koeman however signed players then realised he doesn’t know what formation he likes so now is just trying every possible option hoping one of them sticks.

We need a manager with a very clear idea on how he likes to play football.

 

[technojoe]

I think thats the msin prob is the constant changing of firnation an players still out of position.

 

[Eggs]

Normally managers have a preferred formation then sign players to fit said formation with a few extra players to allow tactical tweaks mid game.

Koeman however signed players then realised he doesn’t know what formation he likes so now is just trying every possible option hoping one of them sticks.

We need a manager with a very clear idea on how he likes to play football.

..it does seem that way which also makes me start questioning Steve Walsh. I would expect the DoF to agree the playing strategy with the Coach and (as you say) bring players in to fit the system.

 

[Moomin]

Burnley at home, an unknown Cyprus team at home, Lyon at home, Brighton away and yesterday match was the final straw.

Are you going to apologise to @davek and admit he was right.

 

[Eggs]

It's awful how poor we are without the ball, most if not every other team you can see the systems they defend with where as our team look lost. You can tell where the opposition is going to attack 3 passes before they do just by seeing how out of position our players are.

..it’s a very good point. One of the Arsenal goals came via a couple of passes after Vlasic turned and had an opening at the Gwladys St End. As you say, when we lost possession you could almost see a route to our goal and Arsenal exploited it.

 

[Death]

Sure what's another season without the league cup.

 

[evertonarntwe]

Hopefully the silence from the club is them doing it behind the scenes. Surely he can't stay on? Surely not

 

[bluestevon]

...if a team plays 3 CBs your wing backs are proactive in the opposition top third. Look at how effective Alonso and Moses are at Chelsea, regularly getting behind the opposition full backs and creating. Compare that with Baines and Kenny yesterday who rarely crossed the half way line. The reality is we play with a back 5. It’s no real foundation to build a side on.

RKs post match interview was almost defeatist, like it’s only a matter of time before a team like Arsenal punish you when you’re down to 10, but that doesn’t have to be the case. Set your team up right and 10 men are difficult to break down. Watching the body language at the match gave me the impression that the managers lack of belief is impacting the players.

I wouldn’t want Moyes back but at least the players were drilled, everybody knew their jobs and the team was organised. Newcastle don’t have outstanding individuals but Benitez has got them organised, difficult to beat and they are picking up points. Similar with Silva at Watford.

I’m embarrassed how naively our team are organised. I am embarrassed how poorly they are being coached. I’m embarrassed with the lack of belief being installed.

He's been that bad I've admitted to something I thought I'd never say, I'd have Benitez here in a heartbeat.

 

[hktoffee]

Are you going to apologise to @davek and admit he was right.

I think you are very strange. Do you have something else to do? On more than one occasion you said the same thing. Are you bored?

So I am going to repeat it one more time. No. Why should I? Is he going to apologise to anyone because he got it wrong in last October till the end of last season and that Koeman got 7th? Add to the fact he never admit he got it absolutely wrong on his idol Bobby. Shall I go around like kids and ask someone to apologise?

 

[billybadger]

I didn’t have a drink yesterday,I went bed early,feel as low as a snakes belly button today and I look on Twitter and there are pictures of Koeman having a great night out in Manchester,all smiles not a care in the world!

 

[tim cahill]

I think thats the msin prob is the constant changing of firnation an players still out of position.

Correct. I could understand Koeman trying out a few different combinations to a point but right now we need a bit of consistency. Just choose a formation and stick with it. Players will learn their roles properly and start to understand the players around them more.

 

[Moomin]

I think you are very strange. Do you have something else to do? On more than one occasion you said the same thing. Are you bored?

So I am going to repeat it one more time. No. Why should I? Is he going to apologise to anyone because he got it wrong in last October till the end of last season and that Koeman got 7th? Add to the fact he never admit he got it absolutely wrong on his idol Bobby. Shall I go around like kids and ask someone to apologise?

Just admit " You got it wrong, and @davek was right "

Be the bigger man and admit the error of your ways, then you can begin to heal.

 

[Azza]

From Greg O'Keeffe who's now at BBC Sport.

Consider this alarming statistic for Everton and Koeman.

Four of the five defenders who started for the Toffees on Sunday failed to win a single tackle.

As a world-class defender in his own playing days, surely Koeman must be doing something about such fundamental weaknesses?!

 

[hktoffee]

Just admit " You got it wrong, and @davek was right "

Be the bigger man and admit the error of your ways, then you can begin to heal.

It’s 9am in UK get to work Moomin.

You’re laughable. He got it wrong on Koeman last season and he got it absolutely wrong on Martinez. Yea go around like kids, moan and ask someone to apologise. This is fun.