Ronald Koeman discussion

[Deleted member 28206]

I think pictures can sometimes be taken out of context but at face value that one is fairly illuminating. Koeman complaining to a referee when he had no real complaints because he’s struggling badly trying to make sense or rationalise a terrible situation whilst holgate one of our worst performers on the pitch is laughing seeming not to care a bit.

Ok Mase

 

[Hickson9]

Before he made his third sub last night I said to my mate he needed to bring Baines on for Martina.

They were giving Martina loads of space on that side as they know he offered us nothing in behind on his left foot, which constricted the space for us across the pitch. Sandro, liking to pick the ball up from deep and also cut inside, ended up in the same spaces as Martina and they were just tripping over each other.

Baines and Mirallas would have given us natural balance. It was so blindingly obvious as well.

 

[Roger Milla]

The world is over 4 billion years old and we're unlucky enough to live at the same time as the idiot that thinks it's ok to hound Barkley out and replace him with crap like Rooney and Klaasen.

What a time to be alive

 

[Deleted member 28206]

That pic from full time mate? If so worrying as hell

Yep.
More here - our fans gutted at full time

http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/photos/everton-f.c.
More of these on page 4

 

[Barnfred 55]

That's just far too simplistic to be even close to the reality.

Dont understand that post mate. Are you saying it makes so much sense it can't be true? Or are you saying he is over simplifying things and is off the mark?. Or something else?

 

[GwladysPhil]

I've done a bit of reading on his previous tenures as a manager - specifically Valencia.

He nearly got an incredible team relegated.

Has previously treated players unfairly - with some even trying to take him to court.

Why was he rated as a good manager? He's not really won anything and inherited Pocetino's Southampton team.

 

[Abertonian]

Before he made his third sub last night I said to my mate he needed to bring Baines on for Martina.

They were giving Martina loads of space on that side as they know he offered us nothing in behind on his left foot, which constricted the space for us across the pitch. Sandro, liking to pick the ball up from deep and also cut inside, ended up in the same spaces as Martina and they were just tripping over each other.

Baines and Mirallas would have given us natural balance. It was so blindingly obvious as well.

But thats the problem with RonKo, it is so obvious to everyone but him......as is the fact that we dont need two DM, or half a dozen AM.

Yep.
More here - our fans gutted at full time

http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/photos/everton-f.c.
More of these on page 4

Lads in the last one clearly gutted when they realised they are wearing half and half scarfs.

 

[MickA]

Before he made his third sub last night I said to my mate he needed to bring Baines on for Martina.

They were giving Martina loads of space on that side as they know he offered us nothing in behind on his left foot, which constricted the space for us across the pitch. Sandro, liking to pick the ball up from deep and also cut inside, ended up in the same spaces as Martina and they were just tripping over each other.

Baines and Mirallas would have given us natural balance. It was so blindingly obvious as well.

Teams have known all season whoever plays FB leave huge gaps behind. They get zero help from whoever is wide nor any protection from the so called DMs.

Let them advance then play the ball into the massive space they've just vacated.

 

[Little Ralphy]

Before he made his third sub last night I said to my mate he needed to bring Baines on for Martina.

They were giving Martina loads of space on that side as they know he offered us nothing in behind on his left foot, which constricted the space for us across the pitch. Sandro, liking to pick the ball up from deep and also cut inside, ended up in the same spaces as Martina and they were just tripping over each other.

Baines and Mirallas would have given us natural balance. It was so blindingly obvious as well.

WTF was that at the end! They both just stood there neither taking control of the situation and conceded possession.

 

[Abertonian]

WTF was that at the end! They both just stood there neither taking control of the situation and conceded possession.

Think Martina crashed and rebooted.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I've done a bit of reading on his previous tenures as a manager - specifically Valencia.

He nearly got an incredible team relegated.

Has previously treated players unfairly - with some even trying to take him to court.

Why was he rated as a good manager? He's not really won anything and inherited Pocetino's Southampton team.

lol

All I went on about when all the talk was him coming here.

Also, see Benfica.

Reminded me a lot of when michael laudrup was flavour of the month at Swansea.

 

[Yarrgh]

We don't want Dyche.

We need a manager who's going to take this club somewhere completely different. Really push the name and towards where we want to be.

There's two options currently 'available' that while hard, are certainly attainable.

Ancelotti and Thomas Tuchel.

Tuchel would be a gamble to an extent, but it'd reinvigorate the entire club. Ancelotti is proven world class but I don't think he'd fancy it.

Tuchel would jump at the chance to work in the Prem, though.

To be honest, I don't know who the board want, and who I want should be disregarded anyway as the last one I thought would do a job was Bilic, and look at the shipwreck of a team he is overseeing at the Dildo Factory. Still dream of a Simeone though!

I don't think we are ready for the likes of Ancelotti or Tuchel, and I don't think they would want to come to a team that needs molding into such a team - a bit of a catch 22, but if we don't chance our arm, we'll never know.

 

[BernieWright13]

"If not Koeman, who?

Ancelotti? Keep dreaming."

This kind of attitude is exactly why we've been such a laughing stock for years. If we haven't at least spoken to his advisors then we deserve precisely what we've been getting for the last number of decades.

Nothing.

 

[mkrudden]

Dont understand that post mate. Are you saying it makes so much sense it can't be true? Or are you saying he is over simplifying things and is off the mark?. Or something else?

Yeah agreed, I wasn't very clear.

When you have 5-6 players like sandro, klassen, sigurdsson, Keane, pickford all arriving and regarded as the best or close to from their respective teams, arriving into a team which was far better than the teams they came from in terms of other players already there, then the failure of pretty much them all to perform comes down to the manager.

Simple as that really, change manager, and guarantee that at least some would start showing their quality.

To simply say that "they were ace at their respective teams so the fact they aren't here is because of the manager" is just wrong imo. Let's look at each:

Sig: Had a team literally built round him. At Swansea where, and I mean no disrespect, the pressure to deliver anything other than solid performances and dangerous set pieces is non-existent, especially since the Martinez and Rodgers days.

Keane: Came from a Sean Dyche team. 4-4-2, full backs far from adventurous and who tuck in tight with the CBs. Basically, Keane was protected a lot last season. This season was always going to be a massive learning curve. With our full backs bombing on at times, one simple long pass down a channel is going to mean he's defending in wide areas far more often. He's also playing in Europe for the first time against more clever, cultured footballers.

Sandro: From a league famous for its more technical, less aggressive approach. There are loads of footballers who struggle to find their feet when they arrive. He's also 21/22 isn't he? Moved to a new country, new language. It was always going to take time.

Klaassen: Much like Sandro. New league, new intensity to deal with.

Pickford: Gone from having to make 340 shots per game to 1 or 2. Got an ever-shifting defence in front of him.

Throw in to the mix that none of these players have ever played with each other before - an obvious point but it is't one or two, it's a whole raft of new players - and you get a situation where fluidity of our game is going to be hard to come by.

Koeman is right, he needs training sessions. I don't buy this "we need one win to kick start our season". We need more games, more sessions and slowly we will see these players finding their feet.

 

[Lanolin]

The same players were well-drilled and coached last year mate.

He does have a lack of plan or system. I've said that. And that's unforgivable.

But the players aren't up to scratch either

Were they though? Serious question.

I'm not being revisionist here, but other than a period between January and March when we just leathered teams at home for fun, we were awful last year too. We had a run of about 10 games without a win, got knocked out of 2 cups at home to inferior opposition, and didn't win an away game for the last 5 months of the season. Look back at what was being said this time last year and it's not too dissimilar to what we're saying now. We had a couple of good months on the back of Lukaku's incredible form but we didn't look like a particularly good side last year in my opinion.