Ronald Koeman discussion

[Stuartisitc1878]

Nobody with any sense is saying he didn't have a say on who signed.

But I think it is fair to say he was let down by Walsh and the board in not getting a striker in.

That being said I'm not at all forgiving him for not having a plan B.

lack of striker is top of an increasingl long list of screw ups this season. I think they all take the blame for that one. The baord for not backing, Walsh for having no plan B,C or D after Giroud and Koeman for jetting off on Holiday as the window closed. Amateur hour at Everton when it comes to signing players in positions we actually need.

 

[Bungle]

I don't think I've seen a manager look so openly fed up and defeated for a while, he looked like he'd rather be anywhere but there last night and if he's so openly demonstrating that then you have to wonder how he expects to be taken seriously by the players and turn things round.

I've never been his biggest fan and exaggerate my dislike of him greatly sometimes, but last night from the highlights I've seen he just doesn't look like he has any interest in getting stuck in and sorting out this mess, just swamped in self pity and negativity.

I think for his own sake as well as ours he needs binning off, just pay him the compensation Farhad and let him check into rehab somewhere.

 

[Little Ralphy]

Both deserve starting places as they offer us something different to what we have.

Schneiderlin will probably miss Sunday.

I'd go with a back three of Keane - Williams - Jags, with Davies as wing-back. Gueye in front of the defence with Sigurdsson pushed on slightly - Rooney, Mirallas and DCL front three.

I honestly hope he doesn't play Rooney. I know he will but I'd just rather he didn't. The game was so much quicker without him, and we seemed to have a better shape - until all the changes obviously.

But yeah hopefully Davies comes in, I'm unsure on Mirallas, if he can do it again like the first half then yeah, but so often we've seen he can't.

 

[mkrudden]

I think that was one of the notable differences between the 2 sides, they were a lot more mobile, especially when breaking forward. Everton need to work on their recruitment and stop signing players who can barely move.

Williams didn't cover himself in glory for that goal, and should have done better, but so should Keane, the mistake from Sandro/Martina was criminal!

It was a communication error between two new signings who probably don't speak the same language (I'd imagine Martina speaks good english but Sandro couldn't speak a word when he joined).

Look what has happened after that goal. We've left a winger glide past us in the box and, as you rightly say, let a striker drift off the front of our other CB in the 6 yard box.

The defending by those two CBs was far more criminal.

 

[jceverton]

The same players were well-drilled and coached last year mate.

He does have a lack of plan or system. I've said that. And that's unforgivable.

But the players aren't up to scratch either

I'll judge the players when he's gone and they're playing under a manager who knows what they are doing. We'll have to disagree about last season because it was shambolic till December and woeful for last 8 games. In between we played some decent football at home. That's about it.

 

[GraemeS1980]

Probably beat Arsenal - Everton that

 

[bluestevon]

I agree, to be fair he has made the changes... but the team is still doing nothing he "says" he wants from them.

I was sat not far away from him and he is literally not part of it, its almost embarrassing to watch. the only time me moans is when he turns to the bench, then the times he does talk to the players they ignore him.

He hasn't got a clue how to set the team up and put a rod up their arses to move and do what he is asking. The argument about the players maybe not being good enough is potentially valid, however, players who have no plan or identity or any clear mission on the pitch is worse.

It looks like they have given up on him.

When you have 5-6 players like sandro, klassen, sigurdsson, Keane, pickford all arriving and regarded as the best or close to from their respective teams, arriving into a team which was far better than the teams they came from in terms of other players already there, then the failure of pretty much them all to perform comes down to the manager.

Simple as that really, change manager, and guarantee that at least some would start showing their quality.

 

[Little Ralphy]

I think pictures can sometimes be taken out of context but at face value that one is fairly illuminating. Koeman complaining to a referee when he had no real complaints because he’s struggling badly trying to make sense or rationalise a terrible situation whilst holgate one of our worst performers on the pitch is laughing seeming not to care a bit.

Did you not think lyon played on the ref allowing them to go down every time someone touched them (or not in a lot of cases) and the physio having to come on? That physio must have been goosed after the game, he covered more ground than half of the players!

 

[mkrudden]

When you have 5-6 players like sandro, klassen, sigurdsson, Keane, pickford all arriving and regarded as the best or close to from their respective teams, arriving into a team which was far better than the teams they came from in terms of other players already there, then the failure of pretty much them all to perform comes down to the manager.

Simple as that really, change manager, and guarantee that at least some would start showing their quality.

That's just far too simplistic to be even close to the reality.

 

[Harryflashman]

Did you not think lyon played on the ref allowing them to go down every time someone touched them (or not in a lot of cases) and the physio having to come on? That physio must have been goosed after the game, he covered more ground than half of the players!

I accept that mate but was there reason enough to him to remonstrate with the ref like he did ? To me That’s a bloke who just struggling .

 

[BernieWright13]

Koemans looking rough these days, Everton isn't good for you

A lot is being made of Koeman's recent appearance in the press and other media. Looks to me more like a conscious decision by him to try and give the impression he could care less. "I'm working round the clock to put this right boys.....not even enough time to shave....its affecting my emotional wellbeing too....it's not my fault...." etc etc

 

[People75]

Koeman raus!

 

[bluestevon]

In fairness I didn't see a team last night that had given up on the manager.

That was Martinez.

They haven't done that. They just don't seem to know what they are doing or - as well as that - they aren't good enough to implement the instructions Koeman has given.

Think they have actually mate, the thing I think which started us playing with a bit of passion last night was mirallas and Davies both deciding f it and the team responded to that effort and to a degree the crowd getting a bit livelier.

Nothing to do with anything coming from or for the manager imo

 

[Little Ralphy]

When you have 5-6 players like sandro, klassen, sigurdsson, Keane, pickford all arriving and regarded as the best or close to from their respective teams, arriving into a team which was far better than the teams they came from in terms of other players already there, then the failure of pretty much them all to perform comes down to the manager.

Simple as that really, change manager, and guarantee that at least some would start showing their quality.

I thought Pickford played well to be honest. Sandro and Klaasen were always going to take time to settle in this league, that's why they get more game time in Europe. Sigurdsson is taking more time to settle than he should, perhaps cos of a different role and Keane has no excuse, especially considering the majority of our defence are English speakers as well. I don't see how that's all down to the manager.

 

[Rudolf Hucker]

I see the club has managed to identify & ban the bloke with the baby.


The fat chump in the dugout has been criminal all season. Sort it out Moshiri!!!!