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LukeS1971 said:
Nope - it's a case of thinking and hoping that Everton will and should no longer settle for just being average, there to make up the numbers. We need money to do that, and none of the other clubs (the recent anomaly that is Leicester apart) would be in the position that they are without having more of it than the rest of us. Not forecasting anything - my 45 year Everton radar tells me instinctively not to get my hopes up too much - but surely you agree that some of the developments over the last 18 months suggest that there is more to this than a friendship between BK and FM and a sudden love affair with EFC?
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there never was any friendship between Kenwright and Moshiri merely an association, Moshiri is quite simply only here because him and his eastern european cronie would like to get their fingers in the waterfront development, he has pretty much already guaranteed himself a large slice of that pie by bringing the city council and the club together in negotiation regarding the new ground, he doesnt need to do any more, the club must find the financing hence the introduction of the chinese bank, the city council will act as the guarantor. job done. what happens next is him and that outfit he has bought the liver buildings with wil begin to exploit the waterfront (they probably already are). there is no need to invest ridiculous amounts of money in the playing staff because that is not what they are here for. there never has been any love affair with EFC, that is for the likes of you, me and uncle Bill. Usmanov is not coming to spend his money on Everton and unless there are any dramatic developments involving some leftfield outsider we will not be bothering any of the top teams in England or Europe any time soon.
 
tirion said:
there never was any friendship between Kenwright and Moshiri merely an association, Moshiri is quite simply only here because him and his eastern european cronie would like to get their fingers in the waterfront development, he has pretty much already guaranteed himself a large slice of that pie by bringing the city council and the club together in negotiation regarding the new ground, he doesnt need to do any more, the club must find the financing hence the introduction of the chinese bank, the city council will act as the guarantor. job done. what happens next is him and that outfit he has bought the liver buildings with wil begin to exploit the waterfront (they probably already are). there is no need to invest ridiculous amounts of money in the playing staff because that is not what they are here for. there never has been any love affair with EFC, that is for the likes of you, me and uncle Bill. Usmanov is not coming to spend his money on Everton and unless there are any dramatic developments involving some leftfield outsider we will not be bothering any of the top teams in England or Europe any time soon.
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Ok, fair enough - that's a reasonable conclusion. However, regardless of their current performances, FM managed to break our wage structure in the process of attracting Ronald Koeman, Morgan Schneiderlin, Wayne Rooney, Gylfi Sigurdsson based on the fact that he would be making money out of Liverpool Waters, whilst Everton continue to tread water in mid-table mediocrity, possibly at risk of slipping into a relegation fight in any given season?!!? Why would he and the Board do that? If we end up with a 45-50k identi-kit stadium then I think you might be right. He doesn't really have to deliver anything special, the location would probably see it over the line with most EFC fans. If it's as big and as good as we all hope, then there has to be more ambition than just making money from a regeneration project. My Everton disappointment radar is always on alert but on this occasion and after 22 years of pain, I am trying to think that the glass is half full.
 
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tirion said:
there never was any friendship between Kenwright and Moshiri merely an association, Moshiri is quite simply only here because him and his eastern european cronie would like to get their fingers in the waterfront development, he has pretty much already guaranteed himself a large slice of that pie by bringing the city council and the club together in negotiation regarding the new ground, he doesnt need to do any more, the club must find the financing hence the introduction of the chinese bank, the city council will act as the guarantor. job done. what happens next is him and that outfit he has bought the liver buildings with wil begin to exploit the waterfront (they probably already are). there is no need to invest ridiculous amounts of money in the playing staff because that is not what they are here for. there never has been any love affair with EFC, that is for the likes of you, me and uncle Bill. Usmanov is not coming to spend his money on Everton and unless there are any dramatic developments involving some leftfield outsider we will not be bothering any of the top teams in England or Europe any time soon.
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I agree with most of this mate, but there is an incentive to have a top football team playing in the stadium on the waterfront doesn't it?
 

catcherintherye said:
To put some defence of the posters in here (and myself) I don't think people woke up and decided Usmanov was coming. Most of what was put was with certain disclaimers. This for the most part if why I can never really understand criticism of other posters, such as The Esk for holding differing views (and on this he has a very different view). If it doesn't happen it doesn't make myself an idiot, just as if it does it doesn't make him an idiot. People interpret information differently and have access to differing amounts of information (in my case none!)

We can't underestimate what Kroenke bidding for Usmanovs shares means though, or indeed the delayed response from Usmanov to this bid. The flurry of discussion was in no small part as a result of this bid. When the picture changes it would be anticipated that people perspectives may develop.

We have been told by those who feel there is no chance it was on the basis of:
1) Usmanov will never have anything to do with any other football club
2) Usmanov will not be allowed to have any involvement with any football club in any kind by governing bodies
3) Kronke has no inventive to buy out Usmanov. In fact he wouldn't want too because it would likely mean strengthening a rival (Everton).
4) No 3rd party having any interest in buying out Usmanov's shares for no involvement at board level of the club.

The reality is the first 2 have been completed disproven by the USM sponsorship meaning he has a direct interest in the club. The 3rd has been disproven by this bid, in that Kroenke would now like to buy Usmanov out.

Most of those sceptical of this seem to be pointing to the 4th point. I am wary of saying this could never happen as 3 of the other 4 things which we've been told would never happen have. It's also true many people invest in a business with no control at board level, and also that Chinese investors have stated this exact point in terms of what they are looking to do strategically. They want to learn how football clubs are run, and feel they are stable and worthwhile investments. This is especially true of the biggest club in the biggest city of one of the worlds biggest franchises. You also have perceived interest from Nigeria's richest man. Add to that the final line of the statement from Usmanov, which was totally unnecessary and in corporate speak is "if you're not Kroenke come and buy me out, and you can see what price I want above" I don't think we can say with any certainty point 4 will never happen.

This process will not happen tomorrow or the day after though. Even if Usmanov accepted the bid it would not be raining tenners this week. We can't spend any money on players until January at the earliest. Given the agreements with LCC, Kenwright, Peel, and the regulations of Uefa if it happens it will be more of a process. You would likely see the outstanding shares bought out and I would hope Moshiri going onto the board, hopefully bulking it up with another 2/3 of his people.

I would say sit tight. The rejection was a set back but it was far from definitive. As someone who sells products and who has written to businesses to tell them we have no intention of selling to them that was not how that statement read. That read like a man who is happy to consider offers of 600 million pounds for his shares, and that if Kroenke wants to buy him out there will likely have to be a premium on top to compensate for the reward of getting complete control of the club. If I was advising Kroenke or a buyer that would be reading of the statement. I would ask Kroenke what his motivations for buying Usmanov out were, if he agrees to the value of 2 billion and how much of a price would he put on having complete control and the problem of Usmanov (or another minority shareholder agitating the fans) is worth to him. There's no guarantee that this figure will match what Usmanov wants, but those are the considerations at play.

As I said previously, the fact point 3 has now been quashed, that Kroenke would want to buy out Usmanov is a major move forward. This is counterposed by the drawback of Usmanov rejecting the bid. The rejection isn't as much of a step back as the Kroenke bid a step forward is though.
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Good points mate. Well written.
The only thing missing is the blaming of everything on the clique. They are to blame for everything. ;)
 
Woolly Blue said:
If that's true, I'm worried that both @Bryan and yourself know about it.
@hibbo'sclass - is this true ? Is CIMA something to do with counting beans ?

edit : Just remembered what thread I'm in. Usmanov will join his mate at Everton in 2018 or 2019 is my best estimate.
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It be indeed mate.
Moshiri is an FCCA (Certified) not a Chartered I believe.
Usmanov is none of the above.
I am none of the above.
Am I Usmanov?
 

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