Ronald Koeman discussion

[Sona]

Just posted in the Stats thread.


RECORD (Competitive Only)
P14 W6 D3 L5 F14 A18 GD-4


Win ratio: 43%


Averaging 1 goal per game, but conceding 1.3 per game.

 

[Woolly Blue]

Think it's more that the first season we had no real system/style of play that was discernible, especially away from home and a lot of that was attributed by people to having Lukaku there who 'is not a Koeman system player'

Now we got rid of him, spunked a shed-load of money on about 8-9 new first team players, played 14 games and a pre season with them, yet I'd wager not one of us have a clue what we are actually trying to do or how we are trying to play. That's absolutely terrible management, we are a loss to Lyon away from effectively being out of Europe only half way through the group stage, we are looking woeful in the league, and even the cup progress is tempered by the fact we have Chelsea away in the next round so can expect an absolute bumming of a Purple Aki magnitude.

Right now, Tuchel and Ancelotti are both available, unless Bayern go for Tuchel ofc, IF we have the genuine ambition that Moshiri has stated we do, approach both of them - see if one bites (although think both would want assurances of serious funding)

I think Koeman is one of those managers who does well with low expectation - indeed maybe exceeds them - like us last year and Saints in both seasons there, his time in Holland he done well with a complete underdog and besides that managed Ajax and PSV - who a blind dog could have challenging for the title lets face it, both clubs he managed in leagues where they weren't the best team but had the expectation to challenge near the top - Benfica and Valencia he failed dramatically at, even cup wins at both couldn't save his job that appalling was the league form and style of play at both.

Ancelotti would be a no brainer - an absolutely top manager, Tuchel - some doubts over, but did very well at Mainz and did well at Dortmund - tempered with his falling out with senior figures at the club over having to sell players (but he does develop young players and for us that is a massive plus) - also plays a very attractive style that is suited to this league

Does anyone really believe that Ancelotti would come here ?
You know, hand on heart really, why would he ?

You said yourself, they would both want assurance of serious funding, and, to an extent, they'd get that, but nowhere near the level of funding that ManU, Citeh, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool are likely to get.

When there was talk of sixty million being spent on a striker, you, quite rightly, knocked the idea down as being crazy. What you're hoping for on the manager front is no different to that.

thing is he saw us and him being here as that as well - stepping stone, he was always with his personality - doing a job here with no connection really made or wanted by him it appears, to be on thin ice, succeed - yes the fans will back you, but start struggling and their is no love for him amongst the supporters - and thats of his own making really.

Same way no one really shed tears at certain players leaving - because they never really got the club - and it was just a means to an end.

Totally agree with you on that. It's impossible to really warm to the guy, but as well as being a club we love, it's also a business, so hiring and firing decisions won't take much notice of that

 

[jinkyali]

What's tremendously sad is we have two excellent prospects in Keane and Pickford who aren't being helped at all by so called experienced defenders.

 

[bluestevon]

1st April Liverpool 3–1 Everton
4 April 201731 Manchester United 1–1 Everton
9 April 201732 Everton 4–2 Leicester City
15 April 201733 Everton 3–1 Burnley
22 April 201734 West Ham United 0–0 Everton
30 April 201735 Everton 0–3 Chelsea
6 May 201736 Swansea City 1–0 Everton
12 May 201737 Everton 1–0 Watford
21 May 201738 Arsenal 3–1 Everton

12 August 20171 Everton 1–0 Stoke City
21 August 20172 Manchester City 1–1 Everton
27 August 20173 Chelsea 2–0 Everton
9 September 20174 Everton 0–3 Tottenham Hotspur
17 September 20175 Manchester United 4–0 Everton
23 September 20176 Everton 2–1 AFC Bournemouth
1 October 20177 Everton 0v1 Burnley

16 league games since April
Won 5
Drawn 3
Lost 8

Definitely on a downward spiral

Last 12 games - 6 goals scored, 19 conceded, played 12, won 3, drew 2, lost 7. Basically relegation form over the period of 1/3rd of a season

 

[Nymzee]

i dont agree he improved the defence by a mile last season. he plonked two DMs in front of them and the team played more defensively. better stats were always likely.

our actual defensive unit was still not very good.

Didn't we have 2 DM's in front for all of RM's tenure though? What's the difference there?

 

[CahillsCornerFlag]

Think we’ll either nick a draw or lose to Brighton, then get battered by Lyon, then his fate will be sealed when we lose to Arsenal.

 

[CahillsCornerFlag]

Didn't we have 2 DM's in front for all of RM's tenure though? What's the difference there?

Probably that Gareth Barry passed forward and Schneiderlin is allergic to it.

 

[hetion]

Don't know if he'd be a good fit but Nagelsmann would be an interesting, progressive signing.

 

[Nymzee]

Don't know if he'd be a good fit but Nagelsmann would be an interesting, progressive signing.

He'll go Bayern when Tuchel gets found out again.

 

[bluestevon]

Does anyone really believe that Ancelotti would come here ?
You know, hand on heart really, why would he ?

You said yourself, they would both want assurance of serious funding, and, to an extent, they'd get that, but nowhere near the level of funding that ManU, Citeh, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool are likely to get.

When there was talk of sixty million being spent on a striker, you, quite rightly, knocked the idea down as being crazy. What you're hoping for on the manager front is no different to that.

Hand on heart - nope he probably wouldn't - because i suspect we wouldn't offer him what he would require in terms of funding in January and next summer.

I never thought the fat Spanish waiter would go Newcastle either though mate. So strange things can happen, most likely though is Ancelotti waits a month or two for the AC mentalist owners to sack their manager and goes back to them.

 

[roydo]

Does anyone really believe that Ancelotti would come here ?
You know, hand on heart really, why would he ?

No.

I, like you, would like to see Koeman sort this out.

But if he cant, (bot looking likely imo) then the answer is a big U shaped coach already on the staff.

 

[goodisonopheliac]

Christ, 90% of the teams in the Football league would kill to be where we are, but carry on if it's helping you.

This. My mates who are Forest and Newcastle supporters can't understand why I moan so much.

 

[ijjysmith]

Wanna be dead annoyed and hate the world?

Spoiler: Open this

 

[bluestevon]

He'll go Bayern when Tuchel gets found out again.

he will go there before that mate, bayern will hire him in a few days i reckon.

How was Tuchel found out at Dortmund, in his two seasons there he outperformed Klopps last three seasons?

He lost his job because he fell out with the higher ups at the club over their selling policy

 

[Zatara]

Problem is we're an established PL side now and no manager in the world is likely to play a lot of those at once; there's too much financial risk if it goes wrong. We could say "Unsworth will play them all" but there's no way he'd come in and bench a load of senior players with the big wages, would cause too much upset.

I don't really know what the answer is anymore to our troubles.

We don't need to play them all at once, but we do need to find a manager able to develop a system which allows us to get the best out of them and gradually replace older players with more young lads of top quality.

We need a major clearout which didn't really happen in summer.