NilesRossly
Player Valuation: £225k
Some people are more suited to kids football. The guy is not a good enough athlete to play in the premier league. He's blowing out of his arse after 35 mins.
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Some people are more suited to kids football. The guy is not a good enough athlete to play in the premier league. He's blowing out of his arse after 35 mins.
d4kyxx
Player Valuation: £20m
Is he still doing this? I thought it was just during a period at Everton after his injury. Would have thought he'd have sorted his fitness by now
He looked on his last legs before we let him go to AC Milan couldn't understand why he was so unfit but perhaps his natural fitness is poor
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
He set Ramirez up the other night on the hour mark.
I'd rather have an hours worth of potential inspiration from him than a 90 minute plodder.
Koeman's legacy for Everton will be to sell all our most talented players and leave a bunch of hard working drones.
Schneiderlin is more talented than any player Martinez bought with the exception of Lukaku, who he wouldn't choose to sell.
Gerard Deulofeu to Barcelona: the pros and cons of triggering his £10.5m Everton buy-back clause
Amongst all the mammoth fees they’re rumoured to be paying, Barcelona have been linked with a much smaller purchase: that of Gerard Deulofeu.
The Catalan winger is currently an Everton player, having been sold to the Merseysiders from Barcelona following a successful loan spell. After some initial success with the Toffees he was loaned out to AC Milan for the second half of the 2016/17 season.
He excelled there, scoring 4 goals and assisting a further 3 in 17 games for the Rossoneri. For the first time in three years he looked like the devastating winger that La Masia and Barcelona B fans had become accustomed to seeing over the years.
That form has played a part in the idea that Barça will activate the buy-back clause of £10.5m that was put into place when they originally sold him to Everton. But what are the pros and cons of such a deal?
Pro: Barça need a right-winger, he is a right-winger
There can be no doubt that Barcelona need a right-winger this summer. M-S-N’s time as a forward trio has come to an end with Leo Messi drifting more centrally with each passing season. He’s returning to the playmaker he always was, this has opened up a hole on the right.
Barça tried to fill this hole, at first with Ivan Rakitic (playing a hybrid role) and Dani Alves attacking. And that worked. But without Alves and with Rakitic struggling, that fell by the wayside. 3-3-1-3 provided a respite but even there, it was obvious that Rafinha was just a hard-worker filling in where an actual specialist should be.
Deulofeu would be that specialist. The Catalan is a pacy winger with good dribbling skills and would be at the very least a natural in a position where Barcelona have no naturals.
Con: He hasn’t developed since they sold him
While Deulofeu is a pacy winger with good dribbling skills, that’s exactly what he was when he debuted as 17 year-old during 11/12. And again as an 18 year-old. Then a 19 year-old. You get the picture, right?
Deulofeu’s dribbling is brilliant. His ability to time just when to blow by his man with a shift of his weight is superb. Unfortunately he enjoys doing it so much he overdoes it, sometimes holding on to the ball for way too long in an effort to blow by more opponents.
His mentality is the same as it’s always been. He’s not grown or changed despite all the years of experiences he’s had. And that’s just obscene when you think about it. He’s 23 but he still plays like a teenager. The Phil Jones of wingers.
Pro: He would be cheap
Barcelona have a lot of transfer business to do this summer. They need to sign a right-back as a matter of urgency and their two main options, Héctor Bellerin and Nelson Semedo, will not be cheap. The Blaugrana desperately need to replace Dani Alves and will have to spend.
Similarly in the middle of the park, where Andrés Iniesta (and the spectre of Xavi) will finally need to find their heir. Marco Verratti is the ideal target and will most likely cost north of €70m. His would be an essential signing as Barça want to return to, you know, having a good midfield.
This may leave funds short for the right-winger that Barcelona also need. The Blaugrana want Ousmane Dembélé but he’ll cost anything up to and even surpassing the €70m they’d have to pay for Verratti. Handily, Deulofeu is both a right-winger (as established earlier) and cheap at £10.5m.
Con: His decision-making is suspect
Like, really suspect. As mentioned above he’s a talented dribbler but so often rides that talent way too far and into the legs of a waiting defender. Sure he’ll have skipped by two opponents previous, but driving into a third instead of crossing is just bad decision-making.
Moreover he picks the wrong pass so often. Or chooses to shoot when he should pass. Or pass when he should shoot (actually no he never does that, he’s an incredibly selfish player). It’s hard for Barcelona to justify having a starting player who can’t be trusted to make the right decision, because that’s half of what they do at the Camp Nou. Play simple football and make the right decisions under pressure.
Pro: They could sell him on to help fund other, better transfers
An underrated aspect of re-signing Deulofeu is that Barcelona would then be able to sell him on. This sounds baffling, why bring him back just to get rid of him again, but it makes a lot of sense if Barcelona can find someone who will pay them more than £10.5m.
Who would pay that? Plenty of teams, really. As his brief spell at Milan (or his early days on loan with Everton) showed, Deulofeu is an incredibly talented player who can thrive if placed for an upper-mid-table club that is pushing for greater things but without the expectation they will achieve them.
There are lots of clubs like that around the world, and Deulofeu would be a good fit at a great many of them. If Barcelona can find one with enough cash to spare, they could even turn a profit on this kid.
Con: He’s a problem child who’s fallen out with or frustrated every manager he’s had
But ultimately, what Barcelona have to consider is this: however talented Gerard Deulofeu is (and he’s plenty talented) he’s not a player who you can trust over the long haul of a season. Hell, you can barely trust him over the short haul of one game.
And that’s the worst thing. Pep Guardiola gave him two games but nothing more. Tito Vilanova gave him four. These are managers who trust young talent to the hilt but neither was willing to truly gamble on bringing Deulofeu through. They knew the issues the boy had.
Roberto Martinez trusted him, probably the only coach that did, but in the end even he fell out with the youngster. Unai Emery repeatedly criticised Deulofeu during a loan spell at Sevilla. When Luis Enrique, Deulofeu’s coach during his first year with Barcelona B, got the senior job at the Camp Nou, there was no talk of bringing the Catalan into the fold. He was sold on July 1st and Barça never looked back.
Okay, Vincenzo Montella at Milan seemed to get on with him. But even that would have ended in tears if it went on, much like things went sour with Martinez too. He just falls foul of every coach he plays for, and he’s played for some great coaches. Ernesto Valverde doesn’t need that headache.
Verdict:
Gerard Deulofeu looks every inch a busted flush. A classic (but tragic) case of unfulfilled genius. Barcelona shouldn’t re-sign him unless there is a buyer in place who will spend more than the £10.5m to take him off their hands. They could more than likely find a better winger in the lower half of La Liga (Deportivo’s Juanfran, for one) who would probably be cheaper too.
Read more at http://www.squawka.com/news/gerard-...on-buy-back-clause/961952#4RO2fUIXOvEJiCpu.99
Amongst all the mammoth fees they’re rumoured to be paying, Barcelona have been linked with a much smaller purchase: that of Gerard Deulofeu.
The Catalan winger is currently an Everton player, having been sold to the Merseysiders from Barcelona following a successful loan spell. After some initial success with the Toffees he was loaned out to AC Milan for the second half of the 2016/17 season.
He excelled there, scoring 4 goals and assisting a further 3 in 17 games for the Rossoneri. For the first time in three years he looked like the devastating winger that La Masia and Barcelona B fans had become accustomed to seeing over the years.
That form has played a part in the idea that Barça will activate the buy-back clause of £10.5m that was put into place when they originally sold him to Everton. But what are the pros and cons of such a deal?
Pro: Barça need a right-winger, he is a right-winger
There can be no doubt that Barcelona need a right-winger this summer. M-S-N’s time as a forward trio has come to an end with Leo Messi drifting more centrally with each passing season. He’s returning to the playmaker he always was, this has opened up a hole on the right.
Barça tried to fill this hole, at first with Ivan Rakitic (playing a hybrid role) and Dani Alves attacking. And that worked. But without Alves and with Rakitic struggling, that fell by the wayside. 3-3-1-3 provided a respite but even there, it was obvious that Rafinha was just a hard-worker filling in where an actual specialist should be.
Deulofeu would be that specialist. The Catalan is a pacy winger with good dribbling skills and would be at the very least a natural in a position where Barcelona have no naturals.
Con: He hasn’t developed since they sold him
While Deulofeu is a pacy winger with good dribbling skills, that’s exactly what he was when he debuted as 17 year-old during 11/12. And again as an 18 year-old. Then a 19 year-old. You get the picture, right?
Deulofeu’s dribbling is brilliant. His ability to time just when to blow by his man with a shift of his weight is superb. Unfortunately he enjoys doing it so much he overdoes it, sometimes holding on to the ball for way too long in an effort to blow by more opponents.
His mentality is the same as it’s always been. He’s not grown or changed despite all the years of experiences he’s had. And that’s just obscene when you think about it. He’s 23 but he still plays like a teenager. The Phil Jones of wingers.
Pro: He would be cheap
Barcelona have a lot of transfer business to do this summer. They need to sign a right-back as a matter of urgency and their two main options, Héctor Bellerin and Nelson Semedo, will not be cheap. The Blaugrana desperately need to replace Dani Alves and will have to spend.
Similarly in the middle of the park, where Andrés Iniesta (and the spectre of Xavi) will finally need to find their heir. Marco Verratti is the ideal target and will most likely cost north of €70m. His would be an essential signing as Barça want to return to, you know, having a good midfield.
This may leave funds short for the right-winger that Barcelona also need. The Blaugrana want Ousmane Dembélé but he’ll cost anything up to and even surpassing the €70m they’d have to pay for Verratti. Handily, Deulofeu is both a right-winger (as established earlier) and cheap at £10.5m.
Con: His decision-making is suspect
Like, really suspect. As mentioned above he’s a talented dribbler but so often rides that talent way too far and into the legs of a waiting defender. Sure he’ll have skipped by two opponents previous, but driving into a third instead of crossing is just bad decision-making.
Moreover he picks the wrong pass so often. Or chooses to shoot when he should pass. Or pass when he should shoot (actually no he never does that, he’s an incredibly selfish player). It’s hard for Barcelona to justify having a starting player who can’t be trusted to make the right decision, because that’s half of what they do at the Camp Nou. Play simple football and make the right decisions under pressure.
Pro: They could sell him on to help fund other, better transfers
An underrated aspect of re-signing Deulofeu is that Barcelona would then be able to sell him on. This sounds baffling, why bring him back just to get rid of him again, but it makes a lot of sense if Barcelona can find someone who will pay them more than £10.5m.
Who would pay that? Plenty of teams, really. As his brief spell at Milan (or his early days on loan with Everton) showed, Deulofeu is an incredibly talented player who can thrive if placed for an upper-mid-table club that is pushing for greater things but without the expectation they will achieve them.
There are lots of clubs like that around the world, and Deulofeu would be a good fit at a great many of them. If Barcelona can find one with enough cash to spare, they could even turn a profit on this kid.
Con: He’s a problem child who’s fallen out with or frustrated every manager he’s had
But ultimately, what Barcelona have to consider is this: however talented Gerard Deulofeu is (and he’s plenty talented) he’s not a player who you can trust over the long haul of a season. Hell, you can barely trust him over the short haul of one game.
And that’s the worst thing. Pep Guardiola gave him two games but nothing more. Tito Vilanova gave him four. These are managers who trust young talent to the hilt but neither was willing to truly gamble on bringing Deulofeu through. They knew the issues the boy had.
Roberto Martinez trusted him, probably the only coach that did, but in the end even he fell out with the youngster. Unai Emery repeatedly criticised Deulofeu during a loan spell at Sevilla. When Luis Enrique, Deulofeu’s coach during his first year with Barcelona B, got the senior job at the Camp Nou, there was no talk of bringing the Catalan into the fold. He was sold on July 1st and Barça never looked back.
Okay, Vincenzo Montella at Milan seemed to get on with him. But even that would have ended in tears if it went on, much like things went sour with Martinez too. He just falls foul of every coach he plays for, and he’s played for some great coaches. Ernesto Valverde doesn’t need that headache.
Verdict:
Gerard Deulofeu looks every inch a busted flush. A classic (but tragic) case of unfulfilled genius. Barcelona shouldn’t re-sign him unless there is a buyer in place who will spend more than the £10.5m to take him off their hands. They could more than likely find a better winger in the lower half of La Liga (Deportivo’s Juanfran, for one) who would probably be cheaper too.
Read more at http://www.squawka.com/news/gerard-...on-buy-back-clause/961952#4RO2fUIXOvEJiCpu.99
If Barcelona don't want to exercise their option - their loss, our gain!
He has his weaknesses which I'll reluctantly admit. However he has a creative spark that just can't be taught and an ability to get fans off their seats in excitement which is worth something to a club in of itself.
Of our current wingers I think he is by far the best, Mirallas's occasional flashes of brilliance aside, so rather than get a relatively paltry 10.5m I'd much prefer to keep him and sell some of the others who are older and therefore less potential to improve.
Both my head and my heart think it is still worth keeping him for at least another year - guess we'll see whether Barcelona listen to Squawka!
kithnou
Player Valuation: £70m
a bell maul
Player Valuation: £30m
I'm with you Legs. Ronald needs to sit him down and lay down some uncompromising truths. He has so much talent but his 'top two inches' need sorting. His paper lungs?...they should be easily sorted ...if HE wants them to be.
In a heartbeat I'd give him another year
Toffee-nerd
Player Valuation: £20m
Spot on that. Sadly I think he's a gonner. Koeman allowing him to go out on loan after bolasie got injured spoke volumes about what he thinks of him and what he can offer the squad.
Its debateable whether hes our best winger, but lets face it, the competition isnt great, I love Kev, but he sadly cant be relied on, Mola looks a talent, but it could be argued whether hes even a winger, I consider Bolasie better myself, something that will no doubt cause a ruckus, but hes injured for a long time anyway.
Could we replace him for 10.5m? Sure we could, IF we picked the right player, which is a major risk.
Ive said time and time again, amongst my erm, other views, ive said the boys got talent and hes a massive attacking threat.
I honestly dont see what could have changed in Ronnys eyes though, he deemed him not worthy of retaining, "We" wanted to add a buying fee to his Milan deal, I cant see any reason at all that Ronnys view on this player could have changed, he doesnt want him IMO and thats sadly down to only 1 person.
“He has incredible qualities but lacks others. Put him out there, one on one and ... pfff,”
“But make him play football with teammates, on a big pitch, and it’s hard. He doesn’t have the maturity or capacity for sacrifice yet."
Yes, I know I keep pasting that, but its so god damn true!!!!
Aye, I don't think he is in Koeman's plans unfortunately
But not going to give up hope he'll stay until a sale for him is all agreed - we've a lot of changes to be made and think replacing Gerard is probably down the list of importance vs others like CB and striker. Stop trying to break a girl's heart Goat!
Aye, I don't think he is in Koeman's plans unfortunately
But not going to give up hope he'll stay until a sale for him is all agreed - we've a lot of changes to be made and think replacing Gerard is probably down the list of importance vs others like CB and striker. Stop trying to break a girl's heart Goat!
Well if it was up to me, I would keep him, despite his many flaws, but I think we all agree it aint up to me.
I will never repeat the above, I must return to hating him now.
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