Summer Transfer Window 2017

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Nymzee said:
Rom and Benteke have both played for 3 PL teams...

Also I don't really understand your "best suited to teams at the bottom" tag. What does this even mean? That only bottom teams play lots of crosses into the box because I think you should watch a United game. You play to the strengths of your best players. Liverpool didn't but Koeman would. He could come here and do naff all but I find it hard to believe.
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I can base my entire liverpool time opinion on one game i watched and they seemed to try and play to his strengths by getting the ball crossed in but he was just nowhere near the middle to score. So i cannot offer a multiple game example.

What i mean by more suited towards the bottom is that they excel in being big fish small pond scenarios, the star player in the team. many players have never been able to make the step up and have stayed being a very good player at a lower level.
 
Kenshin said:
You could argue Spurs after the bale money did not do too badly in hindsight. Enough players made the team as they progressed to top 4 and when you consider Eriksen and Lamela were both brought in with the money, both first team regulars now and Eriksen in particular one of the best in the league. When you sign players en mass then they aren't all going to work, and in Spurs case most of them did work even for the job of taking them to the top 4 before they moved on and were replaced by better fits.

a good example of it not working are your sunderlands, QPRs and Kopites who didn't benefit at all from doing so.
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Although one or two of the players worked out, I think it comes down to great management by people like pochettino, he has managed to ship out some players and get the best out of the remaining ones, im sure if pochettino was there for some of the lads im about to mention but they recovered well, players like soldado, adebayor, chiriches, capoue, stambouli, sandro and chadli have all been shipped out after flopping at spurs.

I think that Koeman would do well to bring in about 5 players and mould them into a better squad, add coleman and Bolasie back into the fold and we may well be able to dream again.
 
Nymzee said:
Rom and Benteke have both played for 3 PL teams...

Also I don't really understand your "best suited to teams at the bottom" tag. What does this even mean? That only bottom teams play lots of crosses into the box because I think you should watch a United game. You play to the strengths of your best players. Liverpool didn't but Koeman would. He could come here and do naff all but I find it hard to believe.
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I think I know what he is trying to say, I think the benteke debate can go both ways, if he is at the bottom half then he will play virtually every game, but to spin it around, surely the fact he is scoring 1 In 2 or 1 in 3 for a poor team actually makes him look better ?

For me I think the way we sometimes hit the ball and hope to Romelu may actually be suited better to Benteke ?
Its the same way Southampton looked better playing the ball into Pelle, where as gabbiadini offers more of the Lukaku finishing but less hold up play. I always look at these situations from the Marcus Bent transfer, looked average as a player but his game suited the team at that time.
Of course price tag needs to be considered and if we did lose rom and go for benteke, we would need a younger player like dolberg to give us a back up option.
 
Paul Bernard said:
Although one or two of the players worked out, I think it comes down to great management by people like pochettino, he has managed to ship out some players and get the best out of the remaining ones, im sure if pochettino was there for some of the lads im about to mention but they recovered well, players like soldado, adebayor, chiriches, capoue, stambouli, sandro and chadli have all been shipped out after flopping at spurs.

I think that Koeman would do well to bring in about 5 players and mould them into a better squad, add coleman and Bolasie back into the fold and we may well be able to dream again.
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In terms of the spurs players, how many were there in the team when they got top 4 the first time around? a few of them at least i would bet and when they proved to be 'not good enough' they were moved on. Soldado was the odd one, you expected him to be a good striker for them and couldn't adapt, but then because of his short comings, they gave a chance to a young lad from the academy so that 28 million in fairness gave a break for Kane to prove himself in a white shirt.

In terms of fantasy football, i would love the club to bring in 8 players this summer to deal with the changing of the squad. 4 Young 4 pro, something like the following;

Young

Tielmans / Pickford / Inneachio or other back up striker / tierney or robertson (if realistic) Keane / 1 winger

Pro's

Sagna (back up right back for mean time), 1 Winger with experience, back up striker,
 

Paul Bernard said:
I think I know what he is trying to say, I think the benteke debate can go both ways, if he is at the bottom half then he will play virtually every game, but to spin it around, surely the fact he is scoring 1 In 2 or 1 in 3 for a poor team actually makes him look better ?

For me I think the way we sometimes hit the ball and hope to Romelu may actually be suited better to Benteke ?
Its the same way Southampton looked better playing the ball into Pelle, where as gabbiadini offers more of the Lukaku finishing but less hold up play. I always look at these situations from the Marcus Bent transfer, looked average as a player but his game suited the team at that time.
Of course price tag needs to be considered and if we did lose rom and go for benteke, we would need a younger player like dolberg to give us a back up option.
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Yeh I just like to think we could start next season with a first XI that can play both styles without needing to make any substituations. What I mean by that is a strong but still technically able target man (Benteke/Dost) flanked either side by a mixture of pace and inventiveness. Add in two full backs with a real good cross (Trippier) and we can do it all then.

We can go long when under the cosh to relieve pressure, we're useful again at set plays both offensively and defensively, we can do the intricate things with midfielders and wide forwards, and we can run on to knock ons.

Direct or fluid we can do it all without changing personnel. I think that's what we lack now. We require a substituation to change the style but our subs all play the same as the first XI. We are super predictable.

That's my non-FIFA fantasy land pipe dream anyway.
 
Benteke doesn't work hard enough, and we don't get wide and swing crosses n often enough anyway.

Having said that I wouldn't be against having a physical, aerial threat up top for a change of approach when we're faced with two banks of 4, instead of constantly trying to pass it through them.
 
really don't think we need another centre mid myself, so these links are a tad mystifying. I mean with schneiderlin being out we've shown just how crap we are so ideally we would get a good backup for him as well, but if i'm going down that ideal route i'm thinking we need 2 keepers, a right back, two centre backs, two left backs, a defensive mid, a right winger, a left winger, two attacking midfielders and two or three more strikers.

We're obviously not going to buy 15 players, but imo we will buy a keeper, centre back, left back, two attacking mids and two strikers so that's already 7, is buying 8 players in one summer whilst offloading 6 or 7 too much?
 
toffeejack said:
really don't think we need another centre mid myself, so these links are a tad mystifying. I mean with schneiderlin being out we've shown just how crap we are so ideally we would get a good backup for him as well, but if i'm going down that ideal route i'm thinking we need 2 keepers, a right back, two centre backs, two left backs, a defensive mid, a right winger, a left winger, two attacking midfielders and two or three more strikers.

We're obviously not going to buy 15 players, but imo we will buy a keeper, centre back, left back, two attacking mids and two strikers so that's already 7, is buying 8 players in one summer whilst offloading 6 or 7 too much?
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Thing is we probably do need 15 but won't all happen in one window.
 

Reoccurring rumour theme of getting strikers on the cheap who have had 1 goodish season for relegation fodder sides.
 
toffeejack said:
really don't think we need another centre mid myself, so these links are a tad mystifying. I mean with schneiderlin being out we've shown just how crap we are so ideally we would get a good backup for him as well, but if i'm going down that ideal route i'm thinking we need 2 keepers, a right back, two centre backs, two left backs, a defensive mid, a right winger, a left winger, two attacking midfielders and two or three more strikers.

We're obviously not going to buy 15 players, but imo we will buy a keeper, centre back, left back, two attacking mids and two strikers so that's already 7, is buying 8 players in one summer whilst offloading 6 or 7 too much?
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Your forgetting that a few of those signings will 100% certainty be players who can play 2-3 roles if needed.

So 2 strikers and 2 attacking mids becomes one of each and a player who can play both.

Someone like Dendonker for example, can like Dier at spurs play defensive mid or centee back etc. Blind is a good example for that type of covering player - one bloke but can slot in at a good level at lb, cb, or defensive mid.
 

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