Ronald Koeman discussion

[Steve Wigan]

That statement takes nothing away from the fact Martinez did make him (who was taking about Lukaku as a top player before he picked him up from Chelsea?) and he still is his mentor at Belgium (I think you'll find he is under his supervision there).

It's easier to combat someone else's point of view if you have facts rather than bile I always think.

I'm no Martinez hater, but the best thing he has done for Lukaku in terms of the Belgian team is to take on Thierry Henry as attacking coach. That's who's 'mentoring Lukaku', and while not as definitive as the help Rom has had from Koeman, Henrys input will be very useful.

 

[Thomasc]

I'm no Martinez hater, but the best thing he has done for Lukaku in terms of the Belgian team is to take on Thierry Henry as attacking coach. That's who's 'mentoring Lukaku', and while not as definitive as the help Rom has had from Koeman, Henrys input will be very useful.

Oh crikey, that'll confuse him.

Am sure it will be down to Roberto though, due to the massively high levels of experience and success he gained as a player for Wigan and Swansea.

Definitely not Henry one of the world's greatest ever strikers or Koeman, one of the games most majestic of players ever!

 

[nsno-chris]

Who has improved Lukaku??

RONALD KOEMAN - one of Hollands greatest defenders and a true reader of the game, won almost everything at club level and played against the worlds best strikers. Could he use his expertise to teach Lukaku how to better position himself against defenders?? NO

THIERRY HENRY - A true great, a wonderful explosive forward who caused havoc for years. Pace, power, technique and the ability to glide past people at ease. Surely he has helped?? No

The winner is:

ROBERTO MARTINEZ - Once played for Wigan and controlled a bobbling ball on a crap pitch at Cheltenham

 

[banno]

That statement takes nothing away from the fact Martinez did make him (who was taking about Lukaku as a top player before he picked him up from Chelsea?) and he still is his mentor at Belgium (I think you'll find he is under his supervision there).

It's easier to combat someone else's point of view if you have facts rather than bile I always think.

I will disagree with 'Martinez made him'. He was already making a name for himself as such Chelsea paid around 20m for him. He needed game time so was shipped on loan to WBA and everyones ears pricked up at the amount of goals he was scoring in an average WBA team. Most of his appearances was as a sub also. He comes to goodison on loan as a fresh kid and scored aplenty. The next 2 seasons he dipped with consistency but still had all the attributes on show when up for it. Koeman comes in and takes him even further by adding the consistency and demanding more from him. Martinez did not make him but credit to him that he saw a goalscorer and got him here and since Martinezs departure he has stepped up another level because Koeman recognised his finishing ability so has made him the prime target for other players to seek and find. When Lukaku goes then Koeman will once again adapt to the strengths of the attacker he brings in and if not in the same mould as Lukaku will tweak the secondary striker and midfielders accordingly. We are not a one man team and I don't believe any team is. Its just playing to the strengths of what you have.

 

[Nymzee]

If Lukaku was nothing until Everton signed him why were we all shocked and excited when he came here on loan???

 

[davek]

lollollol

The state of this, the vendetta against our manager is beyond belief

Pot meet Mt Kettle.

 

[davek]

Koeman has simply done a better job of utilising the best player at his disposal by playing to his strengths, and has got more goals out of him as a direct result.

Your desperation to find fault in us scoring hatfuls of goals and brushing sides away with a nonchalant swipe is about as sad as it gets.

Lookman was on the bench again Saturday and hasn't made an appearance for the U23's according to the OS btw. Nice try though.

It is what it is. If a player he inherited wasn't here we'd be sunk, because he's shown no aptitude whilst here to attack without recourse to an over-reliance on Lukaku.

Season two (if he's not at Barcelona of course!) will be very interesting with a Lukaku-less Everton.

 

[hktoffee]

6 consecutive wins, 22 goals scored, 5 clean sheets.

If you can't enjoy that, then find another stream on a matchday would be my advice.

3-4 to Stoke, 2-3 to West Ham or all those crappy semi final medals are better for him. The Extertainers.

 

[Thomasc]

I will disagree with 'Martinez made him'. He was already making a name for himself as such Chelsea paid around 20m for him. He needed game time so was shipped on loan to WBA and everyones ears pricked up at the amount of goals he was scoring in an average WBA team. Most of his appearances was as a sub also. He comes to goodison on loan as a fresh kid and scored aplenty. The next 2 seasons he dipped with consistency but still had all the attributes on show when up for it. Koeman comes in and takes him even further by adding the consistency and demanding more from him. Martinez did not make him but credit to him that he saw a goalscorer and got him here and since Martinezs departure he has stepped up another level because Koeman recognised his finishing ability so has made him the prime target for other players to seek and find. When Lukaku goes then Koeman will once again adapt to the strengths of the attacker he brings in and if not in the same mould as Lukaku will tweak the secondary striker and midfielders accordingly. We are not a one man team and I don't believe any team is. Its just playing to the strengths of what you have.

Oh really? and there was most of us thinking it might be true! lol

 

[hktoffee]

It is what it is. If a player he inherited wasn't here we'd be sunk, because he's shown no aptitude whilst here to attack without recourse to an over-reliance on Lukaku.

Season two (if he's not at Barcelona of course!) will be very interesting with a Lukaku-less Everton.

That's when the clown Martinez got found out and the 3rd season too.

 

[davek]

I'm no Martinez hater, but the best thing he has done for Lukaku in terms of the Belgian team is to take on Thierry Henry as attacking coach. That's who's 'mentoring Lukaku', and while not as definitive as the help Rom has had from Koeman, Henrys input will be very useful.

You dont know that. How can you say what Henry does at Belgian is any greater input than what he received here with Martinez and his coaches or Martinez and other coaches at Belgium. It's just pure speculation.

 

[nsno-chris]

Pot meet Mt Kettle.

lollollol

Go find me a post when I was slating that utter fraud in his first season. Put the knives away Dave it's embarrassing, embraces Ronald.

But ok, he's giving us total futbol now

 

[Thomasc]

It is what it is. If a player he inherited wasn't here we'd be sunk, because he's shown no aptitude whilst here to attack without recourse to an over-reliance on Lukaku.

Season two (if he's not at Barcelona of course!) will be very interesting with a Lukaku-less Everton.

Imagine wanting this to happen as an Evertonian!

tut tut...nearly lunch time, time for the midday dose.

 

[applecrumble]

That statement takes nothing away from the fact Martinez did make him (who was taking about Lukaku as a top player before he picked him up from Chelsea?) and he still is his mentor at Belgium (I think you'll find he is under his supervision there).
It's easier to combat someone else's point of view if you have facts rather than bile I always think.

 

[davek]

I will disagree with 'Martinez made him'. He was already making a name for himself as such Chelsea paid around 20m for him. He needed game time so was shipped on loan to WBA and everyones ears pricked up at the amount of goals he was scoring in an average WBA team. Most of his appearances was as a sub also. He comes to goodison on loan as a fresh kid and scored aplenty. The next 2 seasons he dipped with consistency but still had all the attributes on show when up for it. Koeman comes in and takes him even further by adding the consistency and demanding more from him. Martinez did not make him but credit to him that he saw a goalscorer and got him here and since Martinezs departure he has stepped up another level because Koeman recognised his finishing ability so has made him the prime target for other players to seek and find. When Lukaku goes then Koeman will once again adapt to the strengths of the attacker he brings in and if not in the same mould as Lukaku will tweak the secondary striker and midfielders accordingly. We are not a one man team and I don't believe any team is. Its just playing to the strengths of what you have.

He's reaping the rewards of seasons long experience in the PL this season. You're seeing just that. It's not like he;s gone from 11/12/13 goals per season before this season. He always had that ability to get volume. This season we have seen an even greater reliance of our attack on Lukaku. so of course we can expect more goals from him. But it's come at a cost in terms of seeing our other attacking players put in below par numbers for goals scored.

Koeman is merely giving the plate another spin.