Ronald Koeman discussion

[nsno-chris]

Barry is the issue but, we had no other decent option yesterday.

Anyone questioning why we're off for Schneiderlin is deluded if they think we're gonna do anything with Barry starting games.

His role now has to be coming on in the final 10 minutes, or going off after 55/60 in the odd game he does start.

(I'm not entirely blaming Barry btw, but it's just an example in a key area of the pitch).

I think that's why Barry has been given a contract, to come off the bench and shut games out. He is becoming a liability

 

[hallamblue]

We aren't keystone cops bad but just yesterday we were defeated from a goal up in three minutes of defensive ineptitude?

What am I missing here?

We're not doing it every week, that's the difference

 

[Dirty Dutch]

I'm pretty sure everyone said last season " A decent manager would have this squad of players challenging for a top four finish "

Then those people really had no idea what they were talking about. There's not 1 manager in the world who would compete with top 4 with this squad.

 

[YMJ]

You sure Holgate was playing right of the three

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Not sure what you mean, but holgate looked to be playing like a traditional right back with Colman in front of him, often tucked in like Lennon does when playing in front of Colman.

 

[Ernie]

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Not sure what you mean, but holgate looked to be playing like a traditional right back with Colman in front of him, often tucked in like Lennon does when playing in front of Colman.

I meant was he playing on the right of three CB's so he drifted over to cover at RB

Missed the game tbh so was just wondering

 

[BernieWright13]

This is true. Yet he has tried all those players be it a pre-season friendly or proper match. They have had the chances and now Koeman is in a much better position to evaluate and know who he doesn't want and who needs replacing. The summer was poor because of the timing of Koeman and then Walsh hiring. The summer was wasted basically as he had to evaluate in too short a period. Now time has gone by he knows the inconsistencies, strengths and weaknesses of all the players to be able to take action this January and in the summer. Then and only then time will start going against him rightly so to deliver.

Pity Der Ronald didn't take advantage of getting his broad 4rse up the M6 a little earlier, rather than swanning around on his extended holidays

 

[Moomin]

Then those people really had no idea what they were talking about. There's not 1 manager in the world who would compete with top 4 with this squad.

I agree, some people thought Koeman would wave a magic wand and we would be top four.

 

[ToffeeTim]

I agree, some people thought Koeman would wave a magic wand and we would be top four.

Mostly the same people that rate the likes of Besic, Clev, Deuleofeu, Mirallas, Funes etc.

I.e. deluded.

 

[Lanolin]

They will, moshiri said hes prioritising the league and failure to make in roads will see questions asked. But that squad is pyar gash and needs overhauling massively.

Even koeman said they brought it on themselves and couldn't believe how deep they fell back. That stinks of "this how we've done it in the past" attitude and proves the mentality is shot

But why can't he believe it? I mean, I can not only believe it, but understand it as well.

We dropped deep because they had a very quick striker and our centre halves (one of which he bought for a decent fee) lack pace and were visibly terrified of being caught up the pitch. Add to this the fact that our midfield anchor (who he has just given a new contract to and could have replaced during the game but didn't) is possibly the slowest player in the league and lacks the engine to get up and down the pitch for 90 minutes, and it seems pretty obvious why they dropped deep.

They couldn't follow Koeman's game plan, so I understand why he's not happy. Clearly some of the blame is on the players here, maybe some of it is on the board too if they've made a mess of transfers, but a fair portion of it is on Koeman too, and I'm not sure why some people are so determined that he be given a free pass.

 

[hktoffee]

I'm being told these players are the problem, but last season and the beginning of this season they weren't the problem at all were they? Now because Koe-moan can't get his act together some of his apologists are telling us that it IS the players to blame.

Sorry, not having that.

No, opinions are divided among the fans.

At the beginning of last season poster like your goodself thought 2014/2015 was just a small beep, the squad would be good enough. But hell no! RM, the players and the results told us the answer.

Having realise the reality, at the beginning of this summer fans thought the squad needed a massive overhaul if we were to progress but the board had failed to deliver and backed Koeman.

There is no such act exists neither because no one even sir Alex can do with this squad as some of them are really poor and it is extremely hard to get rid of them while they continue to eat up wages for our potential new recruits.

 

[banno]

Pity Der Ronald didn't take advantage of getting his broad 4rse up the M6 a little earlier, rather than swanning around on his extended holidays

The players were also on holiday and he called them back a few days earlier than usual

 

[maccavennie]

I meant was he playing on the right of three CB's so he drifted over to cover at RB

Missed the game tbh so was just wondering

Just mentioned it myself Ernie that it deffo looked more 4-4-2 with Holgate rb and Coleman rw. Wound me up no end 1st half as it's square pegs into round holes.

Nothing best the fact that Kone came on to play left wing though, unreal lol

 

[nsno-chris]

But why can't he believe it? I mean, I can not only believe it, but understand it as well.

We dropped deep because they had a very quick striker and our centre halves (one of which he bought for a decent fee) lack pace and were visibly terrified of being caught up the pitch. Add to this the fact that our midfield anchor (who he has just given a new contract to and could have replaced during the game but didn't) is possibly the slowest player in the league and lacks the engine to get up and down the pitch for 90 minutes, and it seems pretty obvious why they dropped deep.

They couldn't follow Koeman's game plan, so I understand why he's not happy. Clearly some of the blame is on the players here, maybe some of it is on the board too if they've made a mess of transfers, but a fair portion of it is on Koeman too, and I'm not sure why some people are so determined that he be given a free pass.

He probably can't believe because he's telling them to player higher but they, for whatever reason, drop deep (and I'm not just talking about yesterday). He's constantly tampering with the team and it's becoming more evident why, he's trying to find eleven players who will follow direct instructions. The only player who seemed to be yesterday was Davies.

I'm lenient with koeman because he hasn't had the time to bring in his players and it takes more than 6 months to change a mentality, I'm not happy with some of the togger on offer but I was aware it was going to be massive rebuilding job

 

[Ernie]

Just mentioned it myself Ernie that it deffo looked more 4-4-2 with Holgate rb and Coleman rw. Wound me up no end 1st half as it's square pegs into round holes.

Nothing best the fact that Kone came on to play left wing though, unreal lol

You would know mate as I said I didn't see it due to work

Smacks of him trying to make a point at how poor the squad is

 

[jceverton]

When push high up and utilise lukakus strength and play off him then we do play some good stuff and the signs are there.

But they keep dropping deep and then there's a massive void between the team and rom, he hasn't got the ability to hold it up and it comes back.

Yes but one of the reasons we're dropping deep is because we've got no pace at centre half and the signing of Williams hasn't helped this. That's down to the manager.