Ronald Koeman discussion

[LAToffee]

He's been in the job for 6 months.

Fair enough. Was hoping for a tad more evidence of a turnaround.

 

[davek]

“You need time to put your stamp on things, you’re never going to do it within three or four weeks. You won’t even do it in three or four months, you need about a full season to get your point across properly."

Paul Lambert

I don't know why everyone expects instant, results, our greatest manager struggled initially , Ferguson nearly got the axe at united, and those two started on a much more level playing field.

Well, the decks are cleared now of any distractions seeing as our season's interest in a Wembley trip has been ended. He can now "get his point across".

 

[davek]

The maximum with this squad.

The squad that got 5th a couple of seasons back. Now we should expect no more than 7th from them.

Brilliant.

 

[PhilM]

The squad that got 5th a couple of seasons back. Now we should expect no more than 7th from them.

Brilliant.

A number of key members of the squad who finished fifth have depreciated over the past two and a half years and others have left or came in.

 

[Dutch Toffee]

Not sure publically slamming them was the right move, I very much doubt he will get a positive reaction from most of this squad

He's basically told them he wants to replace them, Would you work hard for a manager that didn't rate you and criticised you in public?

Agree that it might not seem the cleverest thing to do. That said, those players stopped working hard about 2 years ago.

 

[mill]

Fair enough. Was hoping for a tad more evidence of a turnaround.

At the moment we are 7th which is realistically the best position we were going to get this season given the other 6.

I don't think cups are an accurate barometer for progress.

 

[Dirty Dutch]

The squad that got 5th a couple of seasons back. Now we should expect no more than 7th from them.

Brilliant.

If you think we can compete with the teams above us you really don't know anything about football.

 

[mill]

The squad that got 5th a couple of seasons back. Now we should expect no more than 7th from them.

Brilliant.

Come on mate, you can't compare like that.

Other teams have strengthened, players get older, we've had a regime shift.

You can't tell me the likes of Barry, baines, jagielka etc should be operating at the same level as they were 3 seasons ago.

 

[hallamblue]

Like people are saying, it takes a year to put your stamp on a team. It took Klopp most of a season at the RS, they were rubbish last year. It took Martinez a year to ruin our defence. I don't like Koeman's attitude but , at the risk of being racist, that's what you get with a Dutch manager.

 

[Dutch Toffee]

A number of key members of the squad who finished fifth have depreciated over the past two and a half years and others have left or came in.

And the manager whome Phenomenal Martinez took over from actually left something to build on.

 

[boris]

I reckon if we don't get the targets he wants in this window he'll walk regardless.

I hope so.

I don't want to see him sacked but if I could turn back the clock again I wouldn't apoint him either. It's been massivkey underwhelming and I don't trust him with this budget we're alleged to have.

If he walks I'd be relieved as there's so much about his first 7 or 8 months I don't like and very little that I do.

 

[davek]

A number of key members of the squad who finished fifth have depreciated over the past two and a half years and others have left or came in.

I appreciate that, but Gueye and Williams are an upgrade. We should at least expect the core of players plus those two to offer some semblance of a football team that knows how to pick a pass to each other. They are a team that can find feet. But Koeman prefers they dont. That is our problem. The confidence on the ball has been coached out of them.

 

[rochdaleblue]

The squad that got 5th a couple of seasons back. Now we should expect no more than 7th from them.

Brilliant.

The 'same squad' that got us 11th the last two seasons.

 

[davek]

If you think we can compete with the teams above us you really don't know anything about football.

Thanks dirty.

 

[boris]

Like people are saying, it takes a year to put your stamp on a team. It took Klopp most of a season at the RS, they were rubbish last year. It took Martinez a year to ruin our defence. I don't like Koeman's attitude but , at the risk of being racist, that's what you get with a Dutch manager.

Klopp put a stamp on his team quite quickly and took them to 2 finals.

It certainly hasn't took Koeman a year to ruin our attack, it happened after the first month.