Ronald Koeman discussion

[bring the ghost on]

Mind numbing football? Lol. It may have been a grind when teams sat deep like the cowards they are, but I doubt Martinez will ever be associated with dull football by anyone in the football world other than a bitter core of Evertonians who now have egg on their faces having seen another manager come in and fall on his arse with the most embarrassing bunch of hoofball seen at GP since Smith and Moyes were killing pigeons on an industrial scale.

Martinez will always be associated with dull football to me and most Everton fans I know, because we had to sit at Goodison watching the team pass sideways for 90 minutes and come away with 1 shot on target and 0 points. A horrible team to endure watching for 90 minutes, I could've drifted into a coma during some of those matches.

Anyway, in your typical style, you swerved my question - why is it that under Martinez the players were to blame and under Koeman the manager is to blame?

 

[mkrudden]

Anyone giving Koeman grief wind your neck in. What manager in the world is gonna win things with these utter frauds we have.

It's not fun, it's very frustrating, but Koeman is not the problem. Koeman is the answer to the problem.

The board need to back him and the fans need to back him as he starts culling the overpaid, pathetic deadwood.

I don't think it's the fact that we are losing. Personally I can accept that in his first season for the reasons you say.

What's not acceptable is the lack of identity we are watching week in, week out.

What is he telling them to do? Not off the ball, on it.

 

[Brennan]

Maybe Walsh isn't pulling his weight or doing his job.

Highly possible, they've thrown him in to do something when he has no experience.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

When Koeman brought Kone on, did he stick him out wide?

 

[ToffeeTim]

I don't think it's the fact that we are losing. Personally I can accept that in his first season for the reasons you say.

What's not acceptable is the lack of identity we are watching week in, week out.

What is he telling them to do? Not off the ball, on it.

I hope he is telling them they are all gutless wastes of space who will be gone at the first opportunity, and won't have many offers coming their way either as they are friggin awful.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Happened about twice and you highlight it as a weekly occurrence. Lol.

Chelsea 3-3, Chelsea 3-6, Stoke 3-4, Bournemouth 3-3, Leicester 2-3..........
Do you want me to continue the list of total collapses we suffered under Martinez?

 

[Derek Acorah]

hit him with the ban stick rayray

"He started it mummy!"

Grow up.

I am fed up with the ineptitude running through the club. ANOTHER year without silverware - you can look for the positives if you want but I won't accept it anymore.

Our fans are walkovers.

 

[ianefc]

Evertone in football (including our Sky critics like Merson etc) credited Martinez's Everton with creative football. Lets not try and rewrite history.

No they didn't, they found our games entertaining. There is a difference.

Oh and some of your thoughts on Merson for good measure.

"Brain dead"

 

[Frank Gallagher]

"He started it mummy!"

Grow up.

I am fed up with the ineptitude running through the club. ANOTHER year without silverware - you can look for the positives if you want but I won't accept it anymore.

Our fans are walkovers.

**ignore list

 

[jceverton]

Maybe Walsh isn't pulling his weight or doing his job.

For arguments sake let's say he isn't, then what Koeman should be doing is discussing that in house and keeping quiet in public.

 

[mkrudden]

Highly possible, they've thrown him in to do something when he has no experience.

You seen his CV and the job spec/requirements?

Or you going off the words "director of football"?

 

[Prevenger17]

You answered your own question with your suggestion of the path forward.

Tbh, I lost track of the point I originally intended to make. Regardless of the rather poor state of our squad, Koeman should not be falling down at the first hurdle in both our best chances of silverware (however remote those chances are). He's had a very bad start imo, and I think fans will want to see evidence of improvement and a coherent plan sooner than he might have anticipated

 

[Tony Hibbert's 3rd leg]

Some are still stuck with the sentimental mentality. Scared of change.

If you want rewards, you have to take a plunge, take risks. And more importantly, there are going to be hurdles. Defending players that have done nothing to push us on. Past is the past and it got us nowhere.

It started with Moshiri. It continued with Koeman and Walsh. It will flourish with the players, when we get ones who want to fight for our new ambition. Risk takers. Personnel that want to win and won't settle for mediocrity because it's comfortable.

 

[mkrudden]

I hope he is telling them they are all gutless wastes of space who will be gone at the first opportunity, and won't have many offers coming their way either as they are friggin awful.

Tbh, I'd bet on this too as his words post game.

Because that's all we see. Poor performance, followed by public slaughtering, they then come out bursting to the seams like against Liverpool and then... when they need a game plan to execute.... now they've kicked the oppo to a pulp... and they've got nothing.

Blame the manager.

 

[Caolam]

Koeman inherited a pile of sh#t, and more problematical is that pile of sh#t think they are top class players who feel they don't need to roll their sleeves up and compete for the people who come to watch them and help pay their wages.
This window will speak volumes for our future, if we get Schneiderlin, Depay and the Roma centre half then we can start to look forward. If we get a partner for Lukaku and a goalkeeper then maybe we can do something this season in regard to a Europa Cup place. If we get that place then we need to clear the decks of the wasters clogging up squad places and bring in another five in the summer.
If only 2/3 of our current playing survive a Koeman purge then they have only themselves to blame.