He said the other day that DCL has impressed in training hence his inclusion in the first team squad, I can only assume that Davies is stinking the place out, hence him getting swerved.
Just sayin.
Just sayin.
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vintage-toffees
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Koeman or Walsh need to pull a few rabbits out of there hats in January there is definitely a growing dislike for the present management that will only get worse if we don't strengthen in January
When we win it's irrelevant, but that football and a horror run is just tragic. Koemoyes is right unfortunately. Turn it around after January or go.
This.
It was a weird sub, but it didn't lose us the game.
What lost us the game was McCarthy going off, and without that energy we just camped on the edge of the box.
I love Barry, and I could see the sense in the new deal, but god his lack of legs cost us dearly last night.
ijjysmith
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Could you explain it to me mate? Because I seriously don't see any logic in it at all.
The DCL sub didnt make any sense at all for me, baffling doesnt even begin to describe it.
Valencia still had something left in the tank, Lukaku was beyond done, personally I would have taken Lukaku off, but hey ho, not quite sure anything could have helped, we lost the game in the first 2minutes of the 2nd half and at no point did we have any chance of getting it back.
Valencia still had something left in the tank, Lukaku was beyond done, personally I would have taken Lukaku off, but hey ho, not quite sure anything could have helped, we lost the game in the first 2minutes of the 2nd half and at no point did we have any chance of getting it back.
It's not though Tim - not even to Koeman.
We beat Arsenal because we played like we did in the first half against Liverpool.
We pressed and hassled, but the fact remains that we scored two goals from crosses into the box.
Barkley, Valencia, Lennon, Lukaku - none of them had the skill/gumption last night to make the most of our good start, and we soon reverted to type after McCarthy's injury.
gaino92
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Good to have around as a mentor to younger players. Also good to bring on when winning a game to slow the tempo down and calm us.
ijjysmith
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Sadly they aren't good enough reasons. For me anyway. Slowing the tempo is not ever really a problem for us as we are the slowest team in the league every single game!
I got in the ground at 7.30 last night, ive honestly never been that early to a ground in my entire life, anyway, what I observed was the players doing the most intensive warm up ive seen, not sure if they do that every game, but they warmed up at full speed for a good 20minutes, all this time Klopp stood on the halfway line only watching us, it was very strange.
Some of the players looked done at the end of it.
Some of the players looked done at the end of it.
Would give him a 4 out of 10 for the season so far.
Willing to give him January at least, there is a lot of tat in that squad.
Willing to give him January at least, there is a lot of tat in that squad.
Papa Shango
Player Valuation: £70m
Like all those over times he has shown up in a derby?
The Suarez one was not him showing up by the way.
I agree he would be a better option than Calvert Lewin though solely due to the fact that he put him into midfield.
Well it's a year - not two/three.
I always think it's good to have a Premier League winner and a vastly experienced player in the squad, and in games where we have more of the ball he is great for us (heck, even last night with that pass to Rom - he showed how good he still is).
The issue is his legs have gone so against the top sides, he's next to useless, if they play with pace down the middle.
But to bring on for half-an-hour at the end of a game would be ideal if we needed somebody to set the tempo.
Our issue with our current midfield is all the central players we have can do a few things, but none of them are really the complete package. I'm not talking Viera or whatever, but like McCarthy has a passing range of five yards, but can run. Barry is the only player we have who sets the tempo, but can't run. Gana is the only player who will keep going all day, but can't shoot. Barkley is, well, I don't know what's up with him.
His big blind spot is Davies
There is no way he'd be a worse option in the middle than Barry or Cleverley at this point
I give him credit for rolling the dice on Calvert-Lewin
Some stuff was out of his hands last night, like the injuries
This is less his fault and more the fault of the clubs continued inability to win a Derby. Psychologically, Liverpool are just superiour to us and we can't get over that hump. The club, the players, the fans, all of us, we cannot get past the mental hold they have on us
I honestly don't know how we get over that. In the second half you could feel Goodison deflating as the players entered that performance. You just knew it was coming, you just knew they'd win the battle of wills, because in this fixture they always do
I don't know the answer, I don't know how we overcome it, and I'm not sure anyone from top to bottom at the club knows how either
We're in for some more depressing years in regards to this fixture I fear
There is no way he'd be a worse option in the middle than Barry or Cleverley at this point
I give him credit for rolling the dice on Calvert-Lewin
Some stuff was out of his hands last night, like the injuries
This is less his fault and more the fault of the clubs continued inability to win a Derby. Psychologically, Liverpool are just superiour to us and we can't get over that hump. The club, the players, the fans, all of us, we cannot get past the mental hold they have on us
I honestly don't know how we get over that. In the second half you could feel Goodison deflating as the players entered that performance. You just knew it was coming, you just knew they'd win the battle of wills, because in this fixture they always do
I don't know the answer, I don't know how we overcome it, and I'm not sure anyone from top to bottom at the club knows how either
We're in for some more depressing years in regards to this fixture I fear
I really don't think that was the idea mate.
I think he wanted to get a CF on the pitch to help support Rom and hopefully push us up the pitch - like against Arsenal.
However, it was poor management as the situation of the game was entirely different. Against Arsenal we starting to build up a head of steam, but last night we were hanging on for our lives, which meant Calvert-Lewin had to drop wide to help cover, whereas the week before he only had to do that in the last 5 minutes.
A poor sub, but I don't think it's what lost us the game.
A lack of options (and whether that's down to the manager not using players like Davies - who we still haven't seen enough of to judge fully imo - or simply a threadbare squad) and lack of cutting edge when we were playing well is what cost us.
Manager and players, both to blame. But it happens. I've seen far worse.
The hyperbole in this forum - not from yourself, btw - is ridiculous.
However, I will also acknowledge that Martinez got sacked without as poor a run. It's an awful run - but don't get fooled into thinking Koeman is blaming the squad. He seems to be the only one saying it isn't down to the squad. It's mostly fans and pundits who are saying Jan is make or break (which it is, and that's a sad, sad inditement of not backing our manager last summer with any sense in the market).
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