Ronald Koeman discussion

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davek said:
The point is to play football as it should be played...and if you think seeing Barkley, Lukaku, Deulofeu and Mirallas all at pace carrying the ball to the opposition is tippy tappy you evidently dont know what tippy tappy is.

See that away annihilation of Wolfsburg a few seasons back at their place?...never in a million years would Moyes or this new feller be able to carry out such a game plan.

As said, we all know Roberto wasn't the real deal in the end, but FFS could he set up a team to attack the opposition with flair and aggression.

I despair that we'll never see footy of that nature again for years and years.
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Koemans Saints team last season.

At Home, Smashed city 4-2, beat Liverpool 3-2, beat Arsenal 4-0,
Away beat spurs 2-1, beat United 1-0, beat Chelsea 3-1

yes mate, He would never have been able to have been able to beat a wolfsburg, who are a farsuperior team to all the ones he did beat arent they?

Btw was that the same Wolfsburg who set a european record for the number of shots they had in that game?
 

bluestevon said:
It would have mate, players had given up on him, Rom would have 100% left this summer
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yeah he'd have gone definitely, agreed.
But Martinez would have had an open cheque-book in the summer and would have gone after a couple of CBs, a playmaker and a back up CF.
Oh, and a GK.
Suddenly, he would have had a squad alike his first season.
I'd have backed him. I know i'm in the minority. I just really liked the brand of football when it was on song. Yes, in the dying embers of his employment with us it was garbage but generally when we had his key men playing well we looked a force.
All ifs and buts now of course,
 
davek said:
The point is to play football as it should be played...and if you think seeing Barkley, Lukaku, Deulofeu and Mirallas all at pace carrying the ball to the opposition is tippy tappy you evidently dont know what tippy tappy is.

See that away annihilation of Wolfsburg a few seasons back at their place?...never in a million years would Moyes or this new feller be able to carry out such a game plan.

As said, we all know Roberto wasn't the real deal in the end, but FFS could he set up a team to attack the opposition with flair and aggression.

I despair that we'll never see footy of that nature again for years and years.
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Dave I do not get how you are still defending Martinez at this point. I really do not care how the team plays (style) as long as they win. That is the difference. And Martinez can't setup a defence to safe his life. I just see stupidity and stubborness on his "brand". We have to agree to disagree then.
 
davek said:
The point is to play football as it should be played...and if you think seeing Barkley, Lukaku, Deulofeu and Mirallas all at pace carrying the ball to the opposition is tippy tappy you evidently dont know what tippy tappy is.

See that away annihilation of Wolfsburg a few seasons back at their place?...never in a million years would Moyes or this new feller be able to carry out such a game plan.

As said, we all know Roberto wasn't the real deal in the end, but FFS could he set up a team to attack the opposition with flair and aggression.

I despair that we'll never see footy of that nature again for years and years.
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Spot on.
 
roydo said:
Some would surrender the FA Cup Royle won with The Dogs of War I reckon.
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Not sure if this is aimed at me or just a general observation but that side had a snarl to it plus was 20 years ago, the players are more athletic and skillful than ever.

Don't get me wrong, all about opinions. I'm not afraid of saying that whilst I'd like success, i'd like it via good football if possible.

If it isn't, fair enough, but had Martinez been able to marshal the defence he had and bought a playmaker to give the play some zip against the teams who sat back and conceded space to us, perhaps we would have had the best of both?

Koeman at the moment is serving up dross and scarce points. If we win a crap load of games 1-0 and look like that 95 team then i'd shut up and put up.
 

mkrudden said:
Not sure if this is aimed at me or just a general observation but that side had a snarl to it plus was 20 years ago, the players are more athletic and skillful than ever.

Don't get me wrong, all about opinions. I'm not afraid of saying that whilst I'd like success, i'd like it via good football if possible.

If it isn't, fair enough, but had Martinez been able to marshal the defence he had and bought a playmaker to give the play some zip against the teams who sat back and conceded space to us, perhaps we would have had the best of both?

Koeman at the moment is serving up dross and scarce points. If we win a crap load of games 1-0 and look like that 95 team then i'd shut up and put up.
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The chance will be like winning the lottery 1st prize. Will never, ever be able to marshal a defence if you don't practice defending setpiece.
 
mkrudden said:
Not sure if this is aimed at me or just a general observation but that side had a snarl to it plus was 20 years ago, the players are more athletic and skillful than ever.

Don't get me wrong, all about opinions. I'm not afraid of saying that whilst I'd like success, i'd like it via good football if possible.

If it isn't, fair enough, but had Martinez been able to marshal the defence he had and bought a playmaker to give the play some zip against the teams who sat back and conceded space to us, perhaps we would have had the best of both?

Koeman at the moment is serving up dross and scarce points. If we win a crap load of games 1-0 and look like that 95 team then i'd shut up and put up.
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Not aimed at you mate. Maybe modern day hipsters who seem to want to paint pretty pictures, coo over stats, and look down on those who actually want to win football matches. By what ever means. Ace football is a nice bonus. Winning teams, by and large, combine both. #Keane.

And yeah, we miss snarl. Have done for too long.
 
davek said:
See that away annihilation of Wolfsburg a few seasons back at their place?...never in a million years would Moyes or this new feller be able to carry out such a game plan
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Sorry to do this again to you dave, but this annihilation you're talking about. Was this the game that wolfsburg had 39 shots?? Yes we won but hardly an annihilation.

Compared to moyes who ended az alkmaar's unbeaten home European record whereby some giants of European football had fallen before the mighty blues turned up

You're game is off tonight fella
 
mkrudden said:
Not sure if this is aimed at me or just a general observation but that side had a snarl to it plus was 20 years ago, the players are more athletic and skillful than ever.

Don't get me wrong, all about opinions. I'm not afraid of saying that whilst I'd like success, i'd like it via good football if possible.

If it isn't, fair enough, but had Martinez been able to marshal the defence he had and bought a playmaker to give the play some zip against the teams who sat back and conceded space to us, perhaps we would have had the best of both?

Koeman at the moment is serving up dross and scarce points. If we win a crap load of games 1-0 and look like that 95 team then i'd shut up and put up.
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The players have took responsibility now which that team did when they were bottom , things might change now mate
 
hktoffee said:
Dave I do not get how you are still defending Martinez at this point. I really do not care how the team plays (style) as long as they win. That is the difference. And Martinez can't setup a defence to safe his life. I just see stupidity and stubborness on his "brand". We have to agree to disagree then.
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@davek is expounding a style over substance argument - and that's fair enough.
Unfortunately, this Everton team is spectacularly unsuccessful in both style (under El Bob) and substance.
There's something fundamentally rotten in the kingdom of Everton (best demonstrated by the extension of Gibson's contract).
Nothing will change until we get rid of over half the useless shower that presently represents us.
 

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