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and discussions with a good mate and my older brother, I have to admit to now being somewhat concerned about the ways things are going, or should be not going.

I look at the team over the past few games and I see nothing or at best, very little to inspire or excite me.

I look at the manager and the coaching staff and again, I'm not seeing inspiration.

I look at the squad and reluctantly am rapidly coming to the conclusion that with one or two exceptions, we have a squad full of journeymen footballers, not stars.

I look at Ross Barkley and wish more than anything that someone would help the lad fulfil the potential within him. He patently needs help, particularly with the psychological side of the game and what's more, the manager - as with his predecessor - needs to find the best position for Ross to play in and build the team around him.

Jags and Baines are past their best and need to/must be replaced by the start of next season.

Williams is probably our best defender, but is not the long-term answer in the centre of the defence.

Stekelenberg has done okay, but is not a genuine number one goalie.

Seamus is not the same rampaging fullback of three or four years ago, but in my opinion is worth sticking with.

Gareth Barry, sadly, is the wrong side of thirty yet still has the best football brain in the squad.

Gana Gueye is a real find, we need to keep him and keep him happy !!

Bolasie has pace, enthusiasm and a good work ethic, it's a shame he doesn't know what he's going to do so how on earth anybody else is expected to anticipate what he'll do is beyond me. And he's no goalscorer.

Deulofeu looks a very pale shadow of the raw talent who excited us immensely a couple of years ago, and his histrionics when a decision doesn't go his way are childish and all too Latinesque for my liking, we don't need him to be a prancing prima-Donna, he needs to grow up and earn his living.

Lukaku might be our (only) goal scoring threat at present, but he too is entitled to work a lot harder than he did today and has done of late. His effort today was paltry.

As for Cleverley, Mirallas, Lennon, Kone, Robles, McCarthy and much as I like him, Mo Besic, these are sadly squad players, none of them are game winners.

Everton need an almost complete makeover, starting in goal and going right through the line-up. Of those mentioned above, only Coleman, Gueye, and Barkley are really worth persevering with.

The manager needs to ditch the one-up-front mantra as it patently doesn't work and sure as anything doesn't work for Lukaku... however long he stays here...

I cannot speak about his brother as a coach, but I would honestly like to know what Ferguson brings to the coaching table... because I fail to see anything in Lukaku that suggests Ferguson is having any influence on him.

I genuinely feel that from the next four games - Manure, Watford, Arsenal and the RS - we might only be looking at two points being gained... and that would send us into the Christmas/New Year schedule even more nervous than we are now and utterly desperate.

I hate to say it, but a disastrous showing/humiliation against/by the RS could leave Koeman in almost an untenable situation.

Right now the signs are not good and the forthcoming four games, that should be mouth-watering, could be season defining. Two points from twelve would probably see us slip into the lower half of the table and - God knows I hope I'm wrong - drop into serious trouble again.

So much, too much appears to be wrong within and around the club and sooner, much rather than later, the rot has to stop.

We are a massive and storied football club, but we have no God given right to success. As in any other walk of life, you get rewards on the back of your labours... and right now, too many seem to be just going through the motions and not even attempting to earn the ridiculous rewards they enjoy.


As is always the case, I think you express yourself thoughtfully and well. It's difficult to disagree with most of it but I wonder if Koeman is / will be in any trouble this season or next. If Martinez' lawyers managed to secure a watertight contract on the relatively low wage he was on, imagine the protection Koeman has got having come to a club he plainly couldn't give a toss about, and also bearing in mind how keen Moshiri was to get him here.

I also wonder about the description of us a massive club. If you go on the stats both before and after the war, I'd suggest we're nothing like as massive as we might wish we were. And massive clubs don't have the problems securing top level players we seem to have been after during the summer.

Apart from these quibbles, fine work. Carry on. :D
 

Cahill, the Yak, Beckford, Saha, Bily, Osman, Neville, Pienaar, Arteta, Fellaini, Rodwell, Distin, Heitinga, Hibbert, Jags, Baines, Coleman, Howard

These guys were a more exciting group to watch than the current lot. Maybe because we were constantly on the back foot fighting but at least they were fighting.
Cahill would be disgusted if he had to play in this team.
 

There are so many problems with the squad, but I think we are seeing a conflict of ideologies. Everton were a slow buildup squad under Martinez, and they were a direct target-man/wing-back driven side under Moyes. Whilst a lot of our players have served us well in the past, I don't think they are suited for Koeman's counter-attacking style of football (which has been the dominant style in the past 8-9 years). I saw some collectively brilliant football under Martinez, so there is no doubt that talent exists or existed in this side. The problem is we haven't had stable management, so I'm not sure whether we need to clear house and get players that suit Koeman's style or find a manager that suits our players. I personally think our squad is so disenchanted with the club that it is time to clear house; they don't seem to have faith in the team anymore.
 
Great post. I see a mixture of sulkers, overrated players, thoroughly average players, some genuinely pants players, a couple of good players and an overarching theme among almost all of them of not being remotely arsed about playing for Everton.

I'd keep:

Coleman - Not been great but better than most, and actually cares about putting in a shift and acquitting himself well.
Williams - Think with a decent centre half next to him he'll be spot on.
Gana - Class, keep at all costs.
Bolasie - At least he tries and actually creates a few chances, say what you want but he's our most creative outlet.
Barkley - Needs better players round him to take some of the burden off.
...and Rom but hell be off at the end of the year.

So that's 5 players. I'd add Davies and Holgate to that but Koeman seems allergic to playing the youth.

Sell the rest, burn it down and start again. Toxic atmosphere of apathy amongst this bunch of absolute chancers.
 

and discussions with a good mate and my older brother, I have to admit to now being somewhat concerned about the ways things are going, or should be not going.

I look at the team over the past few games and I see nothing or at best, very little to inspire or excite me.

I look at the manager and the coaching staff and again, I'm not seeing inspiration.

I look at the squad and reluctantly am rapidly coming to the conclusion that with one or two exceptions, we have a squad full of journeymen footballers, not stars.

I look at Ross Barkley and wish more than anything that someone would help the lad fulfil the potential within him. He patently needs help, particularly with the psychological side of the game and what's more, the manager - as with his predecessor - needs to find the best position for Ross to play in and build the team around him.

Jags and Baines are past their best and need to/must be replaced by the start of next season.

Williams is probably our best defender, but is not the long-term answer in the centre of the defence.

Stekelenberg has done okay, but is not a genuine number one goalie.

Seamus is not the same rampaging fullback of three or four years ago, but in my opinion is worth sticking with.

Gareth Barry, sadly, is the wrong side of thirty yet still has the best football brain in the squad.

Gana Gueye is a real find, we need to keep him and keep him happy !!

Bolasie has pace, enthusiasm and a good work ethic, it's a shame he doesn't know what he's going to do so how on earth anybody else is expected to anticipate what he'll do is beyond me. And he's no goalscorer.

Deulofeu looks a very pale shadow of the raw talent who excited us immensely a couple of years ago, and his histrionics when a decision doesn't go his way are childish and all too Latinesque for my liking, we don't need him to be a prancing prima-Donna, he needs to grow up and earn his living.

Lukaku might be our (only) goal scoring threat at present, but he too is entitled to work a lot harder than he did today and has done of late. His effort today was paltry.

As for Cleverley, Mirallas, Lennon, Kone, Robles, McCarthy and much as I like him, Mo Besic, these are sadly squad players, none of them are game winners.

Everton need an almost complete makeover, starting in goal and going right through the line-up. Of those mentioned above, only Coleman, Gueye, and Barkley are really worth persevering with.

The manager needs to ditch the one-up-front mantra as it patently doesn't work and sure as anything doesn't work for Lukaku... however long he stays here...

I cannot speak about his brother as a coach, but I would honestly like to know what Ferguson brings to the coaching table... because I fail to see anything in Lukaku that suggests Ferguson is having any influence on him.

I genuinely feel that from the next four games - Manure, Watford, Arsenal and the RS - we might only be looking at two points being gained... and that would send us into the Christmas/New Year schedule even more nervous than we are now and utterly desperate.

I hate to say it, but a disastrous showing/humiliation against/by the RS could leave Koeman in almost an untenable situation.

Right now the signs are not good and the forthcoming four games, that should be mouth-watering, could be season defining. Two points from twelve would probably see us slip into the lower half of the table and - God knows I hope I'm wrong - drop into serious trouble again.

So much, too much appears to be wrong within and around the club and sooner, much rather than later, the rot has to stop.

We are a massive and storied football club, but we have no God given right to success. As in any other walk of life, you get rewards on the back of your labours... and right now, too many seem to be just going through the motions and not even attempting to earn the ridiculous rewards they enjoy.
 
I have to agree with everything you have said Andy. My big fear is that as well as having a team of "don't carers" we appear to have a don't care manager, I just hope I am wrong and his attitude is just a Dutch thing and given time he will put everything right.
 
The simple answer is we never replaced our best players; those being arteta pienaar fellaini and especially Cahill. They were super players and not only that, they played with aggression and heart. We replaced them with dross. And now we are suffering.
I would quite happily take fellaini back, he'd probably fit whatever this koeman system is, too
 
As is always the case, I think you express yourself thoughtfully and well. It's difficult to disagree with most of it but I wonder if Koeman is / will be in any trouble this season or next. If Martinez' lawyers managed to secure a watertight contract on the relatively low wage he was on, imagine the protection Koeman has got having come to a club he plainly couldn't give a toss about, and also bearing in mind how keen Moshiri was to get him here.

I also wonder about the description of us a massive club. If you go on the stats both before and after the war, I'd suggest we're nothing like as massive as we might wish we were. And massive clubs don't have the problems securing top level players we seem to have been after during the summer.

Apart from these quibbles, fine work. Carry on. :D


Oh we are a "massive club" all right.

We have just been run by the wrong people since the early nineties.

Never mind Abramovitch, imagine Everton had have had a Matthew Harding on the board when the Sky/PL bandwagon was starting to roll :mad:

Or a David Devin when King's Dock was a possibility.

If we ever get the right people at the helm our name will be back in lights and no mistake.
 
I don't get KM's line-up. RM showed it and RK is simply confirming. EFC's 4-5-1 does not work.

Lukaku cannot press nor can he play with his back to goal. He needs a mate who creates space. He needs a mate
who can get in the box.

Valencia needs a game. 3 in midfield and Barkley on the bench. 4-3-3. Valencia will run around, he's not too bad in the air and although
he's not great, he will make Lukaku better.

The Formation to suit the Players.
 

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