Ronald Koeman discussion

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Zatara said:
I'll be the 1st one here to back him if he manages to get the team playing and gets points on the board and lands a cup.

Would be happy to do a 180.

For the life of me i cant see any improvements, just belittling comments and drab football...

Calls for him needing his own players is fair enough but cant a legendary former player at least improve one of our players in 6months?
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Exactly. We're all primed to back this feller to the hilt if he can get us playing good to watch and winning football. It really is entirely in his hands.
 

davek said:
Exactly. We're all primed to back this feller to the hilt if he can get us playing good to watch and winning football. It really is entirely in his hands.
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I'm not primed at all to back the guy...absolutely hate the bloke and have done so for many years...

However, i'm thr 1st one to admit im wrong when someone out performs my expectations and by doing so get my support through thick and thin.

Could be me but i expect people to put in long hours to achieve goals and he also claims to only work a few hours a day...

Surely the best are focused on their jobs 24/7 ?
 
Zatara said:
I'm not primed at all to back the guy...absolutely hate the bloke and have done so for many years...

However, i'm thr 1st one to admit im wrong when someone out performs my expectations and by doing so get my support through thick and thin.

Could be me but i expect people to put in long hours to achieve goals and he also claims to only work a few hours a day...

Surely the best are focused on their jobs 24/7 ?
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I'm neutral on Koeman, tbh. I quite liked him at S'ton. His manner was intense but friendly. Now I just see glum and arrogant.

Mind you, if he gets us into the CL he can say or do almost what he wants.
 
Think he has strengthened our starting 11 undoubtedly with Williams and Gana. Jury still out on bolasie. Has he improved any other players? Maybe rom, but I'm struggling to think of any others. Maybe the squad he inherited just isn't as talented as we thought it was.
 

Zatara said:
Honest question, why do you have the impression that he's happy to be here?
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High profile position. New owner. Serious backing. Effectively carte blanche to build backroom staff and squad.

Head of probably the biggest challenge in club football - to return us to our former glories.

Why would any ambitious person not be happy with that scenario?
 
The Esk said:
High profile position. New owner. Serious backing. Effectively carte blanche to build backroom staff and squad.

Head of probably the biggest challenge in club football - to return us to our former glories.

Why would any ambitious person not be happy with that scenario?
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If he was in that frame of mind then surely he would be much more positive about us with the press and working long hours to achieve success?

Everything ive seen of him at the club points to a short term stint.
 

Bullet said:
You've accurately pointed out @davek contradictory stance on the credibility of Nicholas and undermined him in doing so but that doesn't address his central point.
Nicholas has many connections in the game and coupled with RK's recent public utterances, particularly on Lu, it is quite suggestive of the fact that RK may be an unhappy chap.
If that's the case hopefully it will soon change but it doesn't detract from the fact that he may well have been miss sold the project in relation to the level of player funds available.
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Let's hope he wasn't given false promises.

I don't think we'll ever scale the spending suggested in the summer, but being misled about what's available would be a fatal blow to Moshiri.

If that was to emerge as correct, then Koeman will not fall on his sword. He would be very clear that the blame was not his to shoulder.
 
Zat keeps posting and quoting that Sid Lowe Guardian article, but for some reason never quotes the last paragraph, dunno why

Koeman has hardly helped himself, but the real culprit is a club that's never at peace; the Dutchman walked into a viper's nest, where sporting directors and coaches are at each other's throats like a bunch of deranged emus; where, with honourable exceptions, fans are never satisfied; where president and shareholders are always at war, creating tension and instability. As Koeman boarded an empty bus on Wednesday night, the club handed out press communiqués saying there would be no formal celebration. No visit to the town council. No open-topped bus. No silly wigs. No offering to the virgin. And no one informing Koeman. Above all, no embracing of the one thing that could have brought the club together, revealing yet again what a miserable, self-destructive institution Valencia has become, one that's about to put a fourth manager in charge. If they go down many will wave goodbye, but many too will wave good riddance.
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Zatara said:
http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2008/04/17/valencia-celebrations-hold

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2008/apr/21/europeanfootball.sport

This is also quite amusing, one post on Kone and another musing that he will sign runners...

http://www.europeanboard.net/t9753p540-valencia-cf-thread
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So I can either believe the words of 3 different people or watch a video showing 000s of Valencia fans celebrating their team winning a cup.

You aint making this easy for me Zat, its a tough, tough choice.
 

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