Alisher Usmanov

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bluestevon said:
Fully aware of that statement mate, but are you aware of the one issued in 2012 signed by Usmanov and Moshiri stating a far greater commitment than this one, and where is Moshiri now eh?
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I get you now, misunderstood what you were saying. Well, who knows? Stranger things have happened. ;)
 

bluestevon said:
Wont argue that a lot are hoping it happens and sure it will mate, but not without some credance to those claims

Moshiris only public statement on his Arsenal holdings insisted he was in there for the long haul and would leave his shares ultimately as a legcay to his family mate - same letter that Usmanov made that assertion. You'll find that the latest rumour mill came via not Everton fans but rather Arsenal ones as well.

Is it pure conjectrue though, it's on record that Usmanov wanted control, it's also on record that him and Moshiri had a very detailed plan on how to bring a team to the very top of the game, is a 30 year partnership in business when they have set out to control a club together once already - is that just conjectrue to think the plan was suddeen;ly scrapped and one party gave up on the idea? Also painting it as they have worked on projects togetehr i vastly underselling just how interwined they have been in business and friendship for 30+ years mate - and also just how mcuh each has benefited from this.

Why would a General send his Lieutenant in first to prepare the ground, maybe because thats why people like Usmanov have people like Moshiri in there inner circles mate, who has the better/cleaner public profile out the two, who would the instant expaectation be a little lower upon out the two - thus allowing for a year or twos grace to sort out a total mess of a club, get the staduium paniing sorted and then go into full throttle mode?
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Well argued mate, I can't disagree with much of what you have said, only to say that my instinct remains the same.

Nonetheless, I would certainly love it to happen.
 
everton2004 said:
Is this you "not having a go" again? It seems all you've been doing is "not having a go" since you reappeared. :coffee:
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So you not one bit curious as to the vast claims made by the @The Esk.
He seemingly has his fingers in many a pie:
- Trasfers
- Finance
- Moshiri
- Usmanov
- Stadium Developments
- Liverpool Council
- The Board
- Takeovers
- Stan Kronke
- Commercial deals

And maybe, just maybe someone should question the legitimacy. Like I've said before, all the esk needs to do is answer a simple question which puts everything to bed.
If its down to 'sensitivity' then similarly why reveal anything in the first place.

Can't have it both ways and expect people to buy into it. The esk knows people worship his words and he's playing a fanbase.

And to typify matters hides behind other people who defend his unfounded claims, whilst shooting downs others who dare question a forum god.

Maybe I'm new to this, maybe I've not be indoctrinated into the wonderful world of esk just yet. Either way, if you class questioning someone's vagueness as having a go, then by all means I'm having a go.
 
bring the ghost on said:
Well argued mate, I can't disagree with much of what you have said, only to say that my instinct remains the same.

Nonetheless, I would certainly love it to happen.
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There's a few different ways it can all be looked at, and depending on that slant, it produces a completely different feeling to the chances and likelihood of it happening.

From a pure business POV it can be argued that 'why would he do it', or the difficulty entailed in trying to offload his Arsenal stake in order to free him to invest/own us. just looked at in those terms then both sides can argue back and forth with mixed results on who is 'right' or 'wrong'.

Can be looked at from a pure - Moshiri/Usmanov relationship in the past angle, which then makes it seem much more likely, - well they have always done thigns together, why wouldnt they now etc,

My own take is a lot of the time we are forgetting what in reality owning a football club means to someone like Usmanov - who is 100% a sport and football nut, he's made numerous charitable donations to sports organisations and basically funded the entire Russian fencing program out his own pocket - due to a love for that sport as well, when he was in charge of Gazrom they embarked on a massive excersise of Sporting involvement, owning Zenit, sponsoring several other teams both at home and abroad, the guy honetsly loves the game. People overlook this and see him as someone who is content now to sit twiddling his thumbs owning shares with no control, power or say are overlooking the fact that he loves the game.

Now why does a Oligarch such as him get involved in the first place - heard stuff abotu money laundering etc, which in Abramovic case had a element of truth and a lot of fabrication attached to it, the safety of having a high profile was a more valid reason in that example, Usmanov is a different type altogether - he wasn't one of the land grabbers who got rich quick in the post soviet collapse (although it helped him) and a hutge ammount of his money has been made through other investements - google etc, and through legitimate investment in companies such as Megafon.

He is wanting to control a club because it's a passion and dream that he 'and' Moshiri have seemingly shared for at least 10 years - it's hard for us normal people who basically live day to day financially in some caes to comprehend the vast amount of wealth he has, and the fact that buying a football club and throwing millions into it, is like one of us buying a ps4 and our investment being buying games when we fancy them, that in essence what the money is to him, leisure money to induldge something he has a passion for and enjoys. For ten years he's been stuck in a suituation that he can't do what he wants and has no hope of ever doing so - IF we are led to believe it is Moshiri acting alone, then Usmanovs closest advisor and friend decided after consulting with Usmanov (which he had to do to agree the shares selling etc in R&W holdings) to go it alone and leave Usmanov to endure the never ending frustration of his situation at Arsenal.

That to me doesn't sit right at all, why would Usmanov all of a sudden have a change of heart about his long held dream - which staying permanently at Arsenal with no power would be?
Why would Usmanov ignore the advice of Moshiri about them both leaving Arsenal and buying another club - which with a million degree of certainty would have been a conversation that they had, no chance on earth Moshiri goes 'Al i'm leaving your buying, i'm going it alone on what we planned for the last ten years', so why wouldn't Usmanov be interested in finally realsiing that shared ambition - he suddenly after 30 years decides that he doesn't want to take that step with Moshiri? - just doesn't hold up when you think about it in those terms

So we can think about the difficulty in Usmanov offloading his shares etc (overstated by those who argue the case for Nyet IMO), what can't be argued though is the fact that two very close friends who have worked like siamese twins in business for 30 years, had a shared dream to own a club, one of those men with the others help is now doing so, and anyone who thinks Usmanov wouldn't want to be a part of that and Moshiri wouldn't want him to be alongside him as they do it, is misjudging the entire relationship between the two guys.

To use a wierd analogy, before we move from Goodision i want to see the place one last time and get back for a match, i also want my now 2 year old son to see Everton play for the first time at Goodison before we move as thats a memory and experience i want him to always have. If the chance came for me to get back - but without him with me and go to a game, i wouldn't go, purely because i want to do that with him, and without it wouldn't feel the same. If you take emotion out of it then yeah i should just go no matter what as i want to do it and it makes sense, but you can't remove emotion from the situation some times and i am convinced that owning a club together is like this with these two 'friends'
 
R934 said:
So you not one bit curious as to the vast claims made by the @The Esk.
He seemingly has his fingers in many a pie:
- Trasfers
- Finance
- Moshiri
- Usmanov
- Stadium Developments
- Liverpool Council
- The Board
- Takeovers
- Stan Kronke
- Commercial deals

And maybe, just maybe someone should question the legitimacy. Like I've said before, all the esk needs to do is answer a simple question which puts everything to bed.
If its down to 'sensitivity' then similarly why reveal anything in the first place.

Can't have it both ways and expect people to buy into it. The esk knows people worship his words and he's playing a fanbase.

And to typify matters hides behind other people who defend his unfounded claims, whilst shooting downs others who dare question a forum god.

Maybe I'm new to this, maybe I've not be indoctrinated into the wonderful world of esk just yet. Either way, if you class questioning someone's vagueness as having a go, then by all means I'm having a go.
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At least have the decency to tag him in

@The Esk
 


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