Transfer Rumour Axel Witsel

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evertonfootballclub said:
McCarthy is the problem. Barry is one of the physically fittest players in our squad. Should Ibrahimovic also retire? He's only about a year younger than Gar Bar. Barry is superb, was one of our best players last season, yet should be binned? Makes no sense. So long as he is fully fit, he should be a starter, in my opinion.
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agree, look at Michael Carrick, 34 years old, one of the supreme passes of the UTD, still does a great job, fans and managers know that.

but.

in saying that, you have to pair him with ultra defensive bulldog like partner to etch out his slowness.
 

mikeh72 said:
I remember people saying exactly what you've just said there, about Distin as well. Players can't carry on forever
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Yes, but Barry has shown no signs of losing fitness / losing quality. He's brilliant still, and thus should still be playing (until we sign somebody better, as McCarthy or Besic are not better than him).
 
evertonfootballclub said:
McCarthy is the problem. Barry is one of the physically fittest players in our squad. Should Ibrahimovic also retire? He's only about a year younger than Gar Bar. Barry is superb, was one of our best players last season, yet should be binned? Makes no sense. So long as he is fully fit, he should be a starter, in my opinion.
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Doesn't matter how fit he is, he is far far too slow for the top level of the prem and doesn't have the ability to make it worthwhile carrying him. Even Pirlo and Xavi have called it a day from two leagues which are slower and they are two of the greatest midfielders of all time! Barry was not superb last year, he was OK in a team that finished 11th, the year before he was torrid. You bring up Ibrahimovic, a player who was one of the best in Europe and is a year younger than Barry as an example for why we should start Barry?!

Even at his best he was never up there with the Scholes or Lampards of this league. He is part of the reason this team struggled so badly last year, the three year contract was ridiculous, he shouldn't be anywhere near our starting 11 and he'd struggle to get into any team in the top 10. We are a charity case if we play him. Hopefully the signing of Witsel consigns his Everton career to the bin.
 
evertonfootballclub said:
McCarthy is the problem. Barry is one of the physically fittest players in our squad. Should Ibrahimovic also retire? He's only about a year younger than Gar Bar. Barry is superb, was one of our best players last season, yet should be binned? Makes no sense. So long as he is fully fit, he should be a starter, in my opinion.
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Not sure I fully agree. From what I have seen of Barry he can last 70 mins then his legs are gone. Starts passing to the opposition and giving away needless fouls. He is an excellent player for 70 mins and reads the game very well but he is not the fastest. He needs more man management with the amount of games he plays or time on the pitch. I honestly don't think he is a 90 min player anymore.
 

evertonfootballclub said:
Yes, but Barry has shown no signs of losing fitness / losing quality. He's brilliant still, and thus should still be playing (until we sign somebody better, as McCarthy or Besic are not better than him).
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Distin hadn't, then as soon as the 14/15 season started it was clear he'd just fallen off a cliff and couldn't do his job anymore. Not saying Barry will do the same, but there's only so long you can keep saying "one more season" for. I'd be happy for Barry to be a squad player, he can still contribute. We should be looking forward though definitely
 
Saint Domingo said:
Doesn't matter how fit he is, he is far far too slow for the top level of the prem and doesn't have the ability to make it worthwhile carrying him. Even Pirlo and Xavi have called it a day from two leagues which are slower and they are two of the greatest midfielders of all time! Barry was not superb last year, he was OK in a team that finished 11th, the year before he was torrid. You bring up Ibrahimovic, a player who was one of the best in Europe and is a year younger than Barry as an example for why we should start Barry?!

Even at his best he was never up there with the Scholes or Lampards of this league. He is part of the reason this team struggled so badly last year, the three year contract was ridiculous, he shouldn't be anywhere near our starting 11 and he'd struggle to get into any team in the top 10. We are a charity case if we play him. Hopefully the signing of Witsel consigns his Everton career to the bin.
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Not as good as Scholes and Lampard, even when he was at his best.
You're not supporting Real Madrid you know, this is Everton. Why are you comparing our most effective midfielder with players who in their prime were in the top 3 in the world?
 
ijjysmith said:
How have you lived this long without fruit in your diet?
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evertonfootballclub said:
Yes, but Barry has shown no signs of losing fitness / losing quality. He's brilliant still, and thus should still be playing (until we sign somebody better, as McCarthy or Besic are not better than him).
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the best example to answer this is Distin. Keep taking a gamble on older players and you get a distin situation, no real replacement because you gambled one too many times on an aging player. Sure Barry is still the model professional but what if this year is one year too many for him, and you don't find out until you are 15th in october and wondering what to do? So we need to use Barry not as a first team player but as one that is experienced, have first choice over him and use him when we need him, play him in the types of games he can do the best job for us. That way he can prolong himself for as long as he wants to and there is still a first choice replacement already at the club.
 
Barry sees far more and sooner than the young players. That experience and quality means he snuffs out more opposition attacks than any other player we have had in midfield for years.

I'm sure there are stats out there which show that he was instrumental in our midfield to a greater extent than any other player. I'd still have him.
 

Kev50 said:
Not as good as Scholes and Lampard, even when he was at his best.
You're not supporting Real Madrid you know, this is Everton. Why are you comparing our most effective midfielder with players who in their prime were in the top 3 in the world?
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Because they've all retired! Or moved to a rubbish league. So players of a similar age, with far more ability than him are deeming that they are no longer good enough to play top level premier league football, yet we think Barry should be starting for a team with champions league aspirations.
 
Nymzee said:
Team captain should be someone playing 38 games.
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Why mate? This is only a problem, if you think you have to start your captain. Your captain should be a leader on the training ground, dressing room and pitch. However, if they are not on form, or not good enough to start, then they should not.
 
Jags said:
Why mate? This is only a problem, if you think you have to start your captain. Your captain should be a leader on the training ground, dressing room and pitch. However, if they are not on form, or not good enough to start, then they should not.
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Well the make him club captain; personally can't see Barry playing that many games myself so why have a vice-captain that wears it more than the captain? Makes no sense.
 

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