The EU deal

[Tubey]

That's like saying we're not governed by the tories because we've got an elected labour council in Liverpool.

It's absolute nonsense.

Except it isn't in any way is it?

I can only assume your second sentence refers to your first.

 

[Blue 1]

Sort of defeats your argument about the tory right being given free reign if you're not worried about the german right getting the same.

What you talkin' bout, Willis?

 

[Tubey]

Boris is a dangerous tit ,
There has been an undertone in this thread coming from the stay posters that to want out means your labeled as some sort of oddball, read though it you dont have to look far.
I dont and never will do that as I would sooner listen to peoples views , dont have to agree with them , but dont stoop to childish stereotypes.

Not at all. Some want to leave and express valid reasons - the ones that spout weird conspiracy theories about superstates and an economic paradise are the ones I can't help but laugh at.

If people come up with reasoned debate instead of conspiracy and rhetoric, I'll happily debate them. But if they're saying stupid things, I'll call it out as stupid.

 

[daylightrobber]

Again there you go. We aren't blaming foreigners. We are blaming the system. The system that drives down wages by importing foreigners.

Quit it with you xenophobia nonsense.

And, foreigners being paid less than the minimum wage doesn't drive down the wages of those on minimum wage. Low skilled immigrant workers, create their own jobs by increasing the number of consumers.

In fact the JRF have release their research paper on the financial impact on the poor of a Brexit. Their conclusion - that the wages of the poorest aren't currently affected by the presence of EU immigrants in this country. They also conclude that the poor will be the most negatively impacted should we exit. The North East, Northern Ireland and East Midlands to be hit most by trade and Wales and Cornwall with the loss of EU subsidies.

But yes, the system is messed up.

 

[Ratkiller]

Not at all. Some want to leave and express valid reasons - the ones that spout weird conspiracy theories about superstates and an economic paradise are the ones I can't help but laugh at.

If people come up with reasoned debate instead of conspiracy and rhetoric, I'll happily debate them. But if they're saying stupid things, I'll call it out as stupid.

Oh the irony.

 

[Cypher]

Remind me why you were previously banned?

I wasn't.

 

[Tubey]

Oh the irony.

I don't think you know what that word means.

 

[Ratkiller]

What you talkin' bout, Willis?

It's not rocket science.

 

[Cypher]

Interesting take on Goves TV appearance.
“I think people in this country have had enough of experts!” - that's what Michael Gove said tonight.

Really? So no more expert opinion on the economy or NHS? Dismiss those health professionals, research scientists, economic bodies, etc? If not experts - then in whom should we put our faith for reliable information and an informed debate? Politicians? Trust yer gut? To suggest that independent experts are bought out or have vested interests other than caring about our country is deeply demeaning. It's the standard playbook of the demagogue to dismiss first the universities, academics, learned bodies. Most pertinently with the NHS's future - we see a Vote Leave campaign hijacking this area and pulling public opinion far out of line with what the health professionals say. Slogans beat measured experience. Is this what guides our policy?

Gove would have us listen to experts less and his own spin more - even though the small political elite are already dominating the broadcast media with claim and counter-claim. The public are not getting at rational balanced debate from those who know what they are talking about... It is to the detriment of debate, our national reputation and our country's future.

No because they are lying and twisting the facts to suit their agenda on both sides. He's perfectly right. At the end of the day it's about sovereignty, national identity, democracy and immigration.

 

[daylightrobber]

I wasn't.

Who were you before you were Cypher then? Just wondering like.

 

[Blue 1]

It's not rocket science.

Do the German government set our budget and make our laws or something?

I really haven't the foggiest what you're on about.

 

[daylightrobber]

No because they are lying and twisting the facts to suit their agenda. He's perfectly right. At the end of the day it's about sovereignty, national identity, democracy and immigration.

Which is what exactly? We're a nation of immigrants, all bringing something to the identity we already have and which is always evolving.

 

[Ratkiller]

I don't think you know what that word means.

I don't. But it sounds good.

Enjoy your day.

You big clever clogs.

 

[Cypher]

Who were you before you were Cypher then? Just wondering like.

So is that how you debate. Try and get someone who disagrees with you banned by claiming they were someone else.

 

[daylightrobber]

So is that how you debate. Try and get someone who disagrees with you banned by claiming they were someone else.

Who said anything about getting you banned? Just got an itch that needs scratching.