Who's left from the coaching team ?

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RFUS said:
One thing I'd love from our next manager is him to have a useful assistant manager.

Both Jones and Round before him seemed to be (albeit from my speculative vantage point) complete yes men.
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Irvine always seemed our most vocal assistant over the years. Round just played with his ear piece and Jones seemed to have no understanding of what was going on around him
 

Bruce Wayne said:
I was pondering this the other day, as Unsworth seems to have been given a relatively free ride courtesy of him being an ex-player and in charge of a good crop of youngsters. Yet he came out strongly in support of Martinez, which created the impression that he wasn't an apple that had fallen that far from the tree.

Is it possible that Duncan and Unsworth could have done their jobs despite being hugely opposed to the things they were asked to do?
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Rhino was given Roberto's job (for the day) and is a top bloke. He was always going to praise him and say nice words because he's a respectful guy and one who clearly appreciates what Roberto did for him.

However any notion of him being anything like Bobby was surely thrown out the window when he immediately had us playing high tempo, direct football and winning 3-0!
 
Mountfield1985 said:
Why would Unsworth be accountable for the failure of the first team? He had nothing to do with the day to day coaching of the first team until Martinez was sacked.

I wouldn't say he came out strongly in support of Martinez. He repeatedly said "a good man has lost his job" but that's about it. If you want to look how far the apple was from the tree, look how differently he sets up his U-21 team, and even how differently we approached Sundays game.
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It was a question rather than a statement :) It's been commonly said, and obviously perfectly sensible, that youth teams play the same way as the senior team, so there must be coherence of approach throughout the club. Suffice to say, Martinez seemed to lose the club completely, and I have no idea the role Unsworth and Ferguson played in that, but it was remarkable how much more effort the players seemed to put in on Sunday. Norwich were poor, but the transformation was incredible.
 
RFUS said:
Rhino was given Roberto's job (for the day) and is a top bloke. He was always going to praise him and say nice words because he's a respectful guy and one who clearly appreciates what Roberto did for him.

However any notion of him being anything like Bobby was surely thrown out the window when he immediately had us playing high tempo, direct football and winning 3-0!
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Well yeah, any coach that could get the players playing to their full level would get a big jump in performance, even without any tactical improvements. It was telling to see the shift Mirallas put in, for instance. It was a level of effort we haven't seen from him in some time.
 
RFUS said:
One thing I'd love from our next manager is him to have a useful assistant manager.

Both Jones and Round before him seemed to be (albeit from my speculative vantage point) complete yes men.
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......yep, it's difficult to know what truly goes on but an effective partnership would be good. From what I know, Moyes and Martinez did much of the training ground stuff themselves whereas Kendall (for example) delegated much of that to Harvey. If the Manager takes charge of the tactical training then the scope of the coaches might be limited.
 

Bruce Wayne said:
It was a question rather than a statement :) It's been commonly said, and obviously perfectly sensible, that youth teams play the same way as the senior team, so there must be coherence of approach throughout the club. Suffice to say, Martinez seemed to lose the club completely, and I have no idea the role Unsworth and Ferguson played in that, but it was remarkable how much more effort the players seemed to put in on Sunday. Norwich were poor, but the transformation was incredible.
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Others may know more than me on this, but from what i've seen from the U21's they play at a high tempo and press high up the pitch. So very different to Roberto's senior team.

Agree that the transformation was incredible on Sunday. The conclusion I drew from that was Unsworth and co shared the same frustrations as us with the old style of play. Was great to see them stretch the pitch and play with real width...really hope we never see the one winger and Cleverley/Kone system ever again!
 
Bruce Wayne said:
Well yeah, any coach that could get the players playing to their full level would get a big jump in performance, even without any tactical improvements. It was telling to see the shift Mirallas put in, for instance. It was a level of effort we haven't seen from him in some time.
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Of course, but there were some tactical differences, even given the tiny amount of time he had to work with them. They were pressing higher, playing more direct balls and were far less guilty of sideways passing.

I'm not advocating him for manager like, ha, but I got the impression his ideas about football differ from Roberto's.
 
RFUS said:
By all accounts Roberto had him on a leash. Seems almost like he was there as a gesture but not really allowed to influence much. Nothing could be blamed on him.

Whereas the others are all very much Roberto's men who were heavily involved in carrying out his style of football. They have no loyalty to Everton nor do I see what use they would be as any new manager will have his own people.
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Their loyalty was to RM and before us with him at Wigan I believe.
 

Didn't notice if Ferguson was in the dug out on Sunday? It was someone else warming the subs at half time though.
 

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