martinez out banner at watford

[Stutheblue]

5 wins from last 23 (villa x 2, nufc x 2 and Sunderland).

7 points above mighty Norwich city...

What's the panic?

I recall we beat Stoke away in that period too but I totally get the direction of travel.

 

[DrEFC]

Show me a decent post and happy to reply to it.

Just balancing work with posting or should that be the other way around?!

You look at the Martinez thread all the time you little tinker! There's plenty posts with no response from the in crowd!

 

[Zatara]

Who's idea was it to play Aaron Lennon up front? Of course, our genius visionary of a manager

To get us 2-0 up with 10 men and a penalty...

Yeah pretty clearly a tactical masterclass...if you cant see that then im not sure what to say.

 

[MikeH72]

To get us 2-0 up with 10 men and a penalty...

Yeah pretty clearly a tactical masterclass...if you cant see that then im not sure what to say.

What? No, I'm talking about yesterday

 

[Zatara]

you consistently blame the full backs and never blame the system.

Name a full back who would be better defensively and wouldn't be caught out of position when the managers tactics are that they bomb forward at every opportunity.

How do you know they are the managers tactics?

Galloway and Browning didnt do this as they are more defensive players.

Baines and Coleman are wesk defensively so you cant give them the same instructions.

 

[matty1878]

Get making one mate. You sound passionate about it so go for it.

Said to my mate if not il go halves on a plane lol

 

[Zatara]

So you would like an under performing manager to ideally swap half if his first 11?

Only way that happens is if the manager is swapped as well .

Its not HIS team yet....he needs HIS team to play the system....hes built the squad up as much as he can with the funds....few cheap mistakes along the way but done a good job on the positions hes been able to fill when spending money.

 

[TheFinnFan]

Build the pressure I'll say

We either see his brilliance or his downfall

 

[Neiziro]

Summat like this?

 

[matty1878]

Thank you.

One of the great things about being an Evertonian is that one is not, by extension, a Kopite.

I cherish the fact we are not like them.

So let them shove their flag days, their marches, their humiliation of managers and owners they disdain, their scallywaggery and any of the other cultish, medieval traits they wear like a badge of honour right up their red arses.

I am an Evertonian, sir and I know the difference between us and them.

Et Vive La Difference.

Mate I'm not arguing your an evertonian we all are! But by doing something as fans or a fan base for what we see as a benefit to this club we shoudnt be branded a kopite or kopite behaviour.

Far far far to much of our fan base is fractured and not in unity.

 

[Zatara]

But the players fit that system in his first season? and the players he has brought in since being here have been "of the right profile to fit our system" (martinez's own words on his player recruitment).

First season we attacked from full back.
2nd season teams pressed the full backs
3rd season trying to get wingers in the side

Snag is our full backs arent solid defensively to cover the wingers.

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

Its not HIS team yet....he needs HIS team to play the system....hes built the squad up as much as he can with the funds....few cheap mistakes along the way but done a good job on the positions hes been able to fill when spending money.

But... everyone says his greatest achievement was the 72 point cup. does this mean his signings and system is the problem? seeing as you know that was Moyes team apparently.

yesterdays lineup

• Robles - bought by RM
• 23Coleman
• 5Stones- not bought by RM but brought into the first team
• 6Jagielka
• 3Baines
• 16McCarthy- bought by RM
• 20BarkleySubstituted for Niasse(- bought by RM) at 87'minutes
• 15Cleverley - bought by RM
• 19Deulofeu- bought by RM Substituted for Mirallas at 63'minutes
• 10Lukaku - bought by RM
• 12Lennon - bought by RM

Substitutes

• 8Oviedo
• 9Koné - bought by RM
• 11Mirallas
• 14Niasse
• 17Besic - bought by RM
• 24Howard
• 25Funes Mori - bought by RM

 

[matty1878]

Build the pressure I'll say

We either see his brilliance or his downfall

I don't think we're guna see either under his managerial reign ( now ) he should be aware managers are judged on a results basis his job is/was safe ( till moshris arrival ) and he's not assed/ can't change his ways etc

 

[Zatara]

What? No, I'm talking about yesterday

Losing the game to an individual defensive error?

Same as Wham and Baines against Arsenal....

Needs changes with more defensive full backs.

 

[bluewally]

How do you know they are the managers tactics?

Galloway and Browning didnt do this as they are more defensive players.

Baines and Coleman are wesk defensively so you cant give them the same instructions.

So you think the fullbacks bombing forward isn't part of the tactics?

In that case they should both be dropped for insubordination.

If he doesn't do that then it's a bigger problem in that he's not strong enough to manage the players