Aston Villa v Everton. 1st March at 1945.

Villa?

  • Scruffy

    Votes: 75 23.6%

  • Hope they stay up

    Votes: 83 26.1%

  • Get relegated ASAP please

    Votes: 160 50.3%
  • Total voters
    318
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bluestevon said:
Anyone who thinks we shut up shop and did a proffessional job are deluded, anyone having a go at anyone saying anything negative aginst the performance have short memories about some of our performances this year.

We didn't kill the game off, Villa were the poorest team i have ever seen in this league, they where there to be absolutely embarressed and instead we played that much in 3rd gear and that sloppy that we let them back into the game and generally made the game much harder for ourselves than it had to be. Arsing around with 3 at the back, conceding a daft goal.

Will probably get dogs abuse for this, but for anyone who does, just answer why if we just 'killed' the game did we not bother pressing all game?, if we are just killing the game and coasting why do we start giving a ball away time after time after time? and since when is killing a game off consist of allowing a piss poor Villa side into a game - get a goal back, and actually put us under a lot of pressure?

The team, manager lacks a killer instinct to absolutely paste a crap team, and lacks the ability to kill a game off and shut it 'effectively' down, which explains a lot about how this season we have thrown more points away from winning positions than any other team in the league.

Am i happy about getting 3 points, yup, do i think we consciously decided to play in 3rd gear yesterday, nope, and do i think that we will get a performance like that against a team that isn't the worst team i have ever seen in this league - yup and we will get badly punished for us.
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why bother? knacker ourselves for the wet ham game? yeah that would be a good idea when the game was already won. That's what liverpool do. They've had their 4 big wins under klopp, but have had horror results in the other 10 because they can't do that every game it be a success.

our goal difference is vastly superior to anyone around us - there would be no advantage whatsoever in going flat out and winning 5-0. No gain. The gain of keeping ourselves near 100% for another crack at three points v west ham in a few more days is much more valuable.

Also, isn't this what we did whilst 2-0 up at bournemouth - kept going for a 3rd to try and kill it off instead of take the sting out - we ended up shipping 3 goals and 2 points. Everyone's admitted we have been too open this season.
 

toffeejack said:
why bother? knacker ourselves for the wet ham game? yeah that would be a good idea when the game was already won. That's what liverpool do. They've had their 4 big wins under klopp, but have had horror results in the other 10 because they can't do that every game it be a success.

our goal difference is vastly superior to anyone around us - there would be no advantage whatsoever in going flat out and winning 5-0. No gain. The gain of keeping ourselves near 100% for another crack at three points v west ham in a few more days is much more valuable.

Also, isn't this what we did whilst 2-0 up at bournemouth - kept going for a 3rd to try and kill it off instead of take the sting out - we ended up shipping 3 goals and 2 points. Everyone's admitted we have been too open this season.
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Well put! But we had just had 13 days off.. not saying we had to run round like looneys , but give Niasse and Del that opportunity to.
 
BlueToff said:
Have a point about the midfield. Think Besic coming back (while he shouldn't be rushed back in) obviously ups the anti in terms of competition and also allows us to bring on a player who adds real pace in the centre of the park.

Also worth noting that I think the fact that we hadn't played in 10 days (and a prem game in over 2 weeks) was evident. The break will do us good in the long run, but like anything when you take a break, you're always a bit leggy as you get back into the full swing of things. Don't think today was anything more than that, really.
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I've thought for a while that Barry and McCarthy are too passive, and concede too much of the park.

I agree about Besic, though. I have a lot of faith in him.
 
Carlito said:
I've thought for a while that Barry and McCarthy are too passive, and concede too much of the park.

I agree about Besic, though. I have a lot of faith in him.
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Yeh if Barry and McCarthy both have a bit of an off day then they're pretty much anonymous when it comes to preventing the opposition getting through - though for me yesterday we did mainly restrict Villa to pot-shots and the goal they got came from a cross when Oviedo was off injured.

Saying that, it's Villa, and they're crap.
 
DrEFC said:
Well put! But we had just had 13 days off.. not saying we had to run round like looneys , but give Niasse and Del that opportunity to.
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yeah i know, but west ham in just a few days time (which can be seen as a 6 pointer if we have any ambitions) and then an FA Cup quarter final - it will be the same starting XI because both wingers were good.
 

toffeejack said:
yeah i know, but west ham in just a few days time (which can be seen as a 6 pointer if we have any ambitions) and then an FA Cup quarter final - it will be the same starting XI because both wingers were good.
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Hence bring niasse and Del on.;)​
 
Got to give a shout out to the Everton fans following our 3-1 loss to them last night.

The Toffees fans came in great numbers as they always do (and as us Villans on the road always do) and of course, the usual banter songs of going down were sung... we`d be doing the same so no good getting offended and also, it isn`t anything we don`t already know to be fair!

Anyway, remembering this is the most played game in the league because of the age of both these esteemed clubs, as the match progressed they got slightly quieter. We were joking where I sit that we were so bad that we`d shocked the Everton fans into silence.

The Villa fans started to sing anti Randy and anti Tom Fox songs and then pretty much all around the ground came out a rallying call, Villa til I die which hopefully reminds the owner, the board, the manager, the players... they come, they go... WE STAY.

I looked over at the Everton fans and they were standing and clapping the Villa fans.

A fantastic touch of respect. Proper fans recognising proper fans. As another also noted in the forum, it is these 'little` but special moments that remind me why I love football so much.

Read more: http://www.astonvilla.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=7520403#ixzz41kENsFFB
 
I remember sitting in my full kit (I was only 9 or 10!!) crying my eyes out because Villa had just beaten us in the second replay of the league cup final with my Dad and Grandad having listened to it on the Wireless (you youngsters will have to google Wireless). I think it was this event in my life that has scarred me where they are concerned and always had them towards the top end of teams I dislike and I admit on many occasions has had me hoping they would go down.

But last night I couldn't help but feel sorry for them - the future does look very bleak for them at the moment and does serve as a timely reminder how quickly things can change.
 
Did anybody else have a weird feeling seeing Baines coming on thinking "our second best left back is entering the field"? Oviedo was once again great.

The fella needs to learn to stop crossing coming into the box, it's unreal!
 

Hats off to SuperBob. For a while last night he had me thinking he was about to achieve the impossible and let a 3 goal lead slip against one of the worst teams in premier league history.

Far from convincing as far as I'm concerned
 
toffees1878 said:
Did anybody else have a weird feeling seeing Baines coming on thinking "our second best left back is entering the field"? Oviedo was once again great.

The fella needs to learn to stop crossing coming into the box, it's unreal!
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....I didn't think that at all. It's all about opinion and mine is that Baines is no1 by a distance.
 
Eggs said:
....I didn't think that at all. It's all about opinion and mine is that Baines is no1 by a distance.
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I genuinely don't think he is anymore!

Oviedo is the better defender, no doubts about that at all.

All round play? Baines used to be head and shoulders above any and every full back in the division. Since his injuries he's looked a shadow of the player. Weak defending, and not as strong going forward.

Oviedo and Coleman are our two best full backs now. I still love Leighton though, so maybe if he gets a chance back in the first eleven he'll have a good partner on the wing who'll be able to link up well with him.
 

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