Halfway point of the season

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It's been emotional, mainly the wrong emotions like but still, it's been emotional and we could still do ok if we have a decent run, so it's not all bad, even after yesterdays result.
 


Nealroy said:
As good as Barry has been this season im wondering whether having a more mobile DM (almost another McCarthy) in his role would help us defensively. Once the opposition are goal side of Barry, realistically he's never going to catch them. This means whilst in theory we've got a back 4 and two DMs when we are counter attacked more often than not theyre straight onto the back four.
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I think your confusing mobility with pace. Barry is the 5th highest in the ground covered stats, hardy immobile I'd say. I also think he's one player who has played well in that defensive unit.
 
orly said:
Have never quite understood why defensive minded player = definitely good at organising defence

Longest serving manager in the country was a nothing player, would rather go on their coaching performance rather than former glories.

Nigel Pearson ffs
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It was only a suggestion. We need someone who can sort out our defence as we clearly don't have anyone.

This is what Martinez said about our defensive coach last year

Dennis is a structured, organised and disciplined coach. He has a very, very good football eye but brings a different approach with being a foreign player coming into the English game

This to me looks like he wants a continental style and is looking to play how we play now and are trying to outscore the opposition. It will never work in the PL. Stop conceding and you stand a much better chance of winning games, it really isn't rocket science.

We've conceded 19 goals at home this season, 2 short of last seasons total and more than some previous seasons totals.
 
Mid point is exactly what I expected, and I feel the second half will be exactly the same. Win some lose some, play some good football, score some good goals and let some howlers in. The gap between teams in this league has closed more than I can ever remember really. We have no right to be challenging top 6 six ahead of teams like Stoke/Leicester. Unless we buy a couple more players, including someone who is actually suited to playing on the left instead of Kone/barkley/naismith/Cleverley who are all attacking midfielders/second strikers, we won't push on.
 

orly said:
Holy absolute moly. Terrifying stats.
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Terrifying indeed. Most home goals conceded in the league. We are also the 2nd HIGHEST home goal scorers in the league.

Martinez with his attacking senses could really go on and be one of our best managers ever if he could just sort the defending. Problem is though he doesn't have this in his make up which is why he needs to bring it in. He won't though as he feels this is the way to go and will in the end be his downfall.
 
chippy1722 said:
Mid point is exactly what I expected, and I feel the second half will be exactly the same. Win some lose some, play some good football, score some good goals and let some howlers in. The gap between teams in this league has closed more than I can ever remember really. We have no right to be challenging top 6 six ahead of teams like Stoke/Leicester. Unless we buy a couple more players, including someone who is actually suited to playing on the left instead of Kone/barkley/naismith/Cleverley who are all attacking midfielders/second strikers, we won't push on.
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But this is the problem. In order to shoe-horn in 'his' players, like Cleverley and Kone, better players like Barkley are either being moved deeper to accommodate them or, in the case of Mirallas, being left out altogether.

It's what makes Howard one of the great Martinez anomalies. He's moved aside better players for his own rot, but not dropped a horrendously out of form goalkeeper for the man who kept him a clean sheet in his main managerial high point. Baffling stuff.
 
willo30 said:
Terrifying indeed. Most home goals conceded in the league. We are also the 2nd HIGHEST home goal scorers in the league.

Martinez with his attacking senses could really go on and be one of our best managers ever if he could just sort the defending. Problem is though he doesn't have this in his make up which is why he needs to bring it in. He won't though as he feels this is the way to go and will in the end be his downfall.
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Unfortunately that's his style...part and parcel...can't separate it...
 
orly said:
But this is the problem. In order to shoe-horn in 'his' players, like Cleverley and Kone, better players like Barkley are either being moved deeper to accommodate them or, in the case of Mirallas, being left out altogether.

It's what makes Howard one of the great Martinez anomalies. He's moved aside better players for his own rot, but not dropped a horrendously out of form goalkeeper for the man who kept him a clean sheet in his main managerial high point. Baffling stuff.
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Cleverley was excellent when he came on yesterday. Shame he got injured. Ross was moved deeper as he's better on the ball and could dictate our play from deep and have more space, which he did
 
I don't want to hear statistics, I prefer opinions. The league has become so saturated since the TV deal that it would be misleading to compare points across different seasons. Arsenal, ManCity, Chelsea, Everton, Liverpool, ManUtd, Spurs, Newcastle, Southampton and Hull constituted the top half 24 months ago and only Spurs have accumulated more points this season of those teams (1 additional point that is). The issue is that Martinez couldn't organise a bacon butty never mind a premier league defence.
As y'all have said consistently, we keep making the same mistakes and that's what is so alarming. I kept the faith last season, which only seems to have compound the hardship and torment I've got to endure as talented defenders concede time and time again. But he's definitely the right man for the job so pipe down you at the back
 

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