Tim Howard

[MikeH72]

Your a right nob.
I take it your very young but act like a man eh not a little schoolboy.
You are the only clown on here who backs howard and everyone laughs at you

 

[daz4matty]

Well if you read the post above from Deipnosophist and the quote given by the manager, I think you'll find I'm right and he in fact does like to have players with experience in his side.

Don't forget to do your homework before you play out

 

[Saint Domingo]

Well if you read the post above from Deipnosophist and the quote given by the manager, I think you'll find I'm right and he in fact does like to have players with experience in his side.

Oh I've got no doubt that Martinez will play Howard. I just don't think Howard deserves to start due to his 'experience'. I'd also opine that if Martinez is selecting him for this reason then it's very stupid as he is proving himself to be an extremely poor goalkeeper every single week.

 

[mkrudden]

Your a right nob.
I take it your very young but act like a man eh not a little schoolboy.
You are the only clown on here who backs howard and everyone laughs at you

Have to disagree on this one mate.
I see why Howard plays and it's quite obvious.
Howard has his issues, definitely, and Martinez sees it. Robles however is obviously not cutting it in training, to the point where Martinez had given up on him last year and was going to press ahead and find another deputy to put Howard under pressure.

Howard is the safer choice, in Martinez's opinion, mine, Doug's and others. It may not be 'safe' full stop, I don't think you'll find many who think that, but until we don't have more pressing issues needing investing (which we are getting closer to) or we get a bucket load of cash, the debate will rage on.

 

[daz4matty]

Have to disagree on this one mate.
I see why Howard plays and it's quite obvious.
Howard has his issues, definitely, and Martinez sees it. Robles however is obviously not cutting it in training, to the point where Martinez had given up on him last year and was going to press ahead and find another deputy to put Howard under pressure.

Howard is the safer choice, in Martinez's opinion, mine, Doug's and others. It may not be 'safe' full stop, I don't think you'll find many who think that, but until we don't have more pressing issues needing investing (which we are getting closer to) or we get a bucket load of cash, the debate will rage on.

At the moment mate howard needs resting he has become a laughing stock.
The situation should have been sorted in the summer but for now joel needs a run.
Martinez bought him he must rate him

 

[Saint Domingo]

Have to disagree on this one mate.
I see why Howard plays and it's quite obvious.
Howard has his issues, definitely, and Martinez sees it. Robles however is obviously not cutting it in training, to the point where Martinez had given up on him last year and was going to press ahead and find another deputy to put Howard under pressure.

Howard is the safer choice, in Martinez's opinion, mine, Doug's and others. It may not be 'safe' full stop, I don't think you'll find many who think that, but until we don't have more pressing issues needing investing (which we are getting closer to) or we get a bucket load of cash, the debate will rage on.

So why did he not do anything about it over the summer? Kone is a better striker than McAleny but you still wouldn't use that logic to justify not getting in a proper striker for the whole season. Robles is a Martinez buy. If he's not good enough what is he doing in the squad? It's an illogical argument this one Martinez keeps playing Howard because Robles isn't good. The answer is simple, in the 5 transfer windows he's had instead of hoarding defensive midfielders and useless wingers he could have bought a half decent goalkeeper.

 

[Chang Elephant]

Tim has had very strong highs already this season

Yep we've been watching his goalkeeping performances when high this season. Can't believe Martinez tolerates players mainlining opiates and psychotropics on matchdays.

 

[mkrudden]

At the moment mate howard needs resting he has become a laughing stock.
The situation should have been sorted in the summer but for now joel needs a run.
Martinez bought him he must rate him

Genuinely don't think it's as simple as that mate.
I think he did rate Robles, and thought he would put Howard under pressure, but he hasn't improved in the manner he hoped. This is why Martinez wanted a keeper in January.

Martinez admits he may need to bring in a new stopper when the transfer window opens on Thursday.

"It's something we're going to assess," said the Blues boss. "Joel had his first start in the league. I thought he was really calm against Stoke in the second half and against Newcastle, it was a good introduction for him.

"It's something we need to assess. We have just found out about Tim. We're going to make a decision because we've only got Russell Griffiths and Jindrich Stanek as the two young goalkeepers, who have been working with the first team, so we need to assess that in the next few days."

Now i know the above states that he wanted someone in to help Robles, but at the fans forum meeting he did at the end of the season Martinez said he believed Joel had improved and therefore didnt need another keeper.

I think the poor form of Howard and the non-starts for Robles proves that the spaniard just hasnt kicked on.

It will be our biggest if not second biggest investment of next summer, i'm sure of it. Until then it'll be Howard I think.

I agree with you though, he deserves the criticism he is currently getting

 

[mkrudden]

So why did he not do anything about it over the summer? Kone is a better striker than McAleny but you still wouldn't use that logic to justify not getting in a proper striker for the whole season. Robles is a Martinez buy. If he's not good enough what is he doing in the squad? It's an illogical argument this one Martinez keeps playing Howard because Robles isn't good. The answer is simple, in the 5 transfer windows he's had instead of hoarding defensive midfielders and useless wingers he could have bought a half decent goalkeeper.

I've answered your question in the post above, but to say because a manager buys a player - especially a young one - and then doesnt reserve the right to not play him if he isnt cutting it is bonkers.

 

[Dithering Dougie]

I've answered your question in the post above, but to say because a manager buys a player - especially a young one - and then doesnt reserve the right to not play him if he isnt cutting it is bonkers.

It seems hard for some people to comprehend that no all transfers are success for some reason.

 

[Jags..class]

So what Martinez record like for buying goalkeeper's over his time as a manager? Was gobsmackrd when Martinez gave him a 5 year contract.

 

[daz4matty]

Genuinely don't think it's as simple as that mate.
I think he did rate Robles, and thought he would put Howard under pressure, but he hasn't improved in the manner he hoped. This is why Martinez wanted a keeper in January.



Now i know the above states that he wanted someone in to help Robles, but at the fans forum meeting he did at the end of the season Martinez said he believed Joel had improved and therefore didnt need another keeper.

I think the poor form of Howard and the non-starts for Robles proves that the spaniard just hasnt kicked on.

It will be our biggest if not second biggest investment of next summer, i'm sure of it. Until then it'll be Howard I think.

I agree with you though, he deserves the criticism he is currently getting

Joel was 1st choice at wigan for a long time i don't get he has gone backwards that much.
When he had a run last season he did well.
I think its cos martinez is stubborn and just won't drop howard.
Its going to cost us though cos howard is that scared its laughable.

 

[anton66]

Howard is the safer choice, in Martinez's opinion, mine, Doug's and others.

At the moment Howard is as safe as a split condom.

 

[mkrudden]

Joel was 1st choice at wigan for a long time i don't get he has gone backwards that much.
When he had a run last season he did well.
I think its cos martinez is stubborn and just won't drop howard.
Its going to cost us though cos howard is that scared its laughable.

Genuinely matey, I agree that from the outside as fans it does seem a bit strange.
All i'd say is that he sees him everyday in training and that's a better sample to making an opinion on whether he should start or not than the few games last season.

Totally understand your point though, I just think that Martinez should be trusted and if he thinks Robles isnt yet good enough to replace a keeper out of form then i'll side with him under the proviso that he buys in the summer.

Should we be in this situation come the first day of next season then i'll be right there with you.

 

[mkrudden]

At the moment Howard is as safe as a split condom.

and therefore what does that make Robles, in the eyes of the manager?