John Stones transfer saga

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Groucho said:
I personally think we're coming out of this well. On the face of it, Martinez has refused a transfer request and selected the player with no hesitation while telling the media bluntly that he's not for sale. Also, all offers have been rejected out of hand, not for sale notices issued and (albeit poorly shot on a phone) footage of Jon Wood saying neither he nor Kenwright will sell him.

Perhaps it isn't that transparent and I'd be surprised if he stayed, but on the face of it we have acted in a much more respectable manner than Chelsea and the media, who are now fuming at not getting their own way. Almost like a sense of entitlement that LFC have, but without the honours list of either us or the reds.

Chelsea and their London based media are being divvies, essentially.
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They've played a blinder. No question. £20M will have to become at least £35M in the end, so that's no mean feat to pull off (if it happens).

My argument is that we should see anyything and everything said and done as part of the game that boosts price. It'd be supremely naive otherwise. We all swooned a bit when Roberto said what he said last night, but in reality he'll know that exiting a window stronger than you left it is the only game in town worth winning. He always emphasises that. Hence his later statement drawing Kenwright into the fray about not weakening the team....more a pressure placed on his chairman that if he does decide to sell then we better get this cash recycled into the team and not sit on it or have no time to spend it.
 
Groucho said:
I personally think we're coming out of this well. On the face of it, Martinez has refused a transfer request and selected the player with no hesitation while telling the media bluntly that he's not for sale. Also, all offers have been rejected out of hand, not for sale notices issued and (albeit poorly shot on a phone) footage of Jon Wood saying neither he nor Kenwright will sell him.

Perhaps it isn't that transparent and I'd be surprised if he stayed, but on the face of it we have acted in a much more respectable manner than Chelsea and the media, who are now fuming at not getting their own way. Almost like a sense of entitlement that LFC have, but without the honours list of either us or the reds.

Chelsea and their London based media are being divvies, essentially.
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the thing is, widespread media has already painted us as villains
 
Tubey said:
Actually, yes. With the Vibrac loans and so on, this situation five years ago would have resulted in Stones being sold pretty quickly.

And next season it gets even bigger.

What's the point in trying to outspend the top four? We have no chance of doing so - so why not sell the chaff, bring in wheat and grow the club the right way.

I'm convinced that's Martinezs strategy, and it's a good one.
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...that'd be called a transfer winnow...:)
 
the esk said:
Stones is not going to be sold for two reasons (i) Martinez does appear to be committed to building a team including his young core of Stones, Barkley and Lukaku as the key components and (ii) perhaps more importantly it fits the Board's narrative. "Money does not buy you everything" could have been penned by Bill himself, after all we've lived/survived on this philosophy since 1999. With the signing of a new financing loan against 2016/17 revenues the club will bring in some new players before the deadline, will keep the existing squad intact and Bill and the Board will face off the BU and Kenwright Out crowd with these two points.

I said earlier today - it is a master stroke, a wonderful defense against the claims that we need investment to move forward. I still believe we need that investment because my ambitions for the team are higher than the Board's and we need funding for the stadium and commercial activities.
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Hoping you're right!
 

Joey66 said:
I could hear more than one fan reports were there were a few idiots and most got shut up by true blues, it happens , but goldust for the media unfortunately, you can bet they were going out their way to get this clip !
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Oh, I know. They won't get bogged down with facts when you can make out how nasty Everton fans are. He'll be appreciated warmly by the loveable Chelsea crowd, not us.

It's laughable.

Again...none of this with Sterling. And those RS were vicious over it
 
davek said:
They've played a blinder. No question. £20M will have to become at least £35M in the end, so that's no mean feat to pull off (if it happens).

My argument is that we should see anyything and everything said and done as part of the game that boosts price. It'd be supremely naive otherwise. We all swooned a bit when Roberto said what he said last night, but in reality he'll know that exiting a window stronger than you left it is the only game in town worth winning. He always emphasises that. Hence his later statement drawing Kenwright into the fray about not weakening the team....more a pressure placed on his chairman that if he does decide to sell then we better get this cash recycled into the team and not sit on it or have no time to spend it.
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At first I thought we would keep him (and may still do so) but the highlighted part is what I truly think will happen. Clever tactics if that's the case, making the best out of a bad situation if you like.
 

It really should be ended.

They bid 3 times and we said no to each bid, transfer request is clearly rejected too.
But the media will spin this out for 5 days, pushing whatever rubbish they can think off to drive this transfer, after all most of them said this was a done deal weeks ago, they'd be fuming if he doesn't move.
 
rochdaleblue said:
Can you please tell me who these replacements are at this stage of the window.
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I'm not a scout at Everton, so don't know who we'll be targetting id Stones leaves. Convinced there's an emergency plan in place in case he should leave. Maybe only a short term solution, but no way I believe there will be no action from our part in that worst case scenario.
 
the esk said:
Stones is not going to be sold for two reasons (i) Martinez does appear to be committed to building a team including his young core of Stones, Barkley and Lukaku as the key components and (ii) perhaps more importantly it fits the Board's narrative. "Money does not buy you everything" could have been penned by Bill himself, after all we've lived/survived on this philosophy since 1999. With the signing of a new financing loan against 2016/17 revenues the club will bring in some new players before the deadline, will keep the existing squad intact and Bill and the Board will face off the BU and Kenwright Out crowd with these two points.

I said earlier today - it is a master stroke, a wonderful defense against the claims that we need investment to move forward. I still believe we need that investment because my ambitions for the team are higher than the Board's and we need funding for the stadium and commercial activities.
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I feel better already on the basis that you're usually right.

*I say the exact same thing to the wife......
 
Probably been said on and off over the past 1000 pages like but this matter should be closed.

the club have said he isnt for sale so that is, as far as anyone concerned the end of the story. Chelsea can bid again, and it will be rejected as per the official stance, stones can want to leave, but he won't be allowed to.

Now if stones IS sold now, then it will be a much different story to talk about, one where the club lied to the fans. But if they are willing to say the golden words about the matter, then they have to be backing them up .

I am more concerned about the clear lack of money on our side of things but hey, part of being a fan
 
davek said:
They've played a blinder. No question. £20M will have to become at least £35M in the end, so that's no mean feat to pull off (if it happens).

My argument is that we should see anyything and everything said and done as part of the game that boosts price. It'd be supremely naive otherwise. We all swooned a bit when Roberto said what he said last night, but in reality he'll know that exiting a window stronger than you left it is the only game in town worth winning. He always emphasises that. Hence his later statement drawing Kenwright into the fray about not weakening the team....more a pressure placed on his chairman that if he does decide to sell then we better get this cash recycled into the team and not sit on it or have no time to spend it.
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Boosting the price is of little value if that increased fee is then squeezed out of you by other clubs who know you've had (or are getting) a huge windfall and the window is about to slam shut.

We've seen it with the RS and Spurs, even when both did their business before the golden egg was cashed, everyone knew the game and they both got royally goosed by the clubs they were purchasing off.

Unless Martinez has got a number of deals already lined up and waiting to go should Chelsea come up with a number that is simply too good to miss, then I think we should pull up the drawbridge and hang onto the lad until next summer
 

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