Everton "special" Talksport 9:00pm Monday 10th Aug 2015

[Moomin]

Barring actually being relegated, or going into the last third of a season in the thick of a relegation battle, I think we both know a boycott is unlikely.

That might change, but, given we both know that's the situation, it just becomes an academic argument.

To be fair, I don't have an alternative.

We are of a spontaneous support, when we survived the Coventry game to stay up we got on the pitch to celebrate but it turned to a board out shout with no plans but a feeling that grew from that point and started a fire.

I'm waiting to read the tosh stories in the next few days spun from Everton. Actively looking for investment, ground move is gaining ground, an interview with Kenwright in the mail.

 

[joger]

Don't understand why the echo isn't reporting on this or the increased discontent towards the board. Think it only reinforces some peoples beliefs that they are in the pocket of the club.

 

[Khalekan]

Invest where 'the rubber hits the road' i.e. on the playing field. Infrastructural consideration is accretion is to this fundamental, in my opinion.

Agree with that in principle but I think the reality is it becomes so much harder to attract the kind of rubber we need when the garage the vehicle is housed in looks antiquated in comparison to other suitors.

That Shaquiri bloke, for instance, was probably very impressed with Stoke's new stadium and he signed for a club which would have had little or no chance of buying him if he had fetched up at the old Victoria Ground.

It isn't even the ground itself so much.....it is the way it is landlocked in the midst of row houses which were built before WW1 or shortly after.

Nothing about the infrastructure of our club seems fit for purpose in the 21st century.

 

[D410]

The board consists of businessmen who are unlikely to worry about damage to the reputation. So long as they think their asset is appreciating courtesy of the TV money, I very much doubt they give a damn about a bit of bad publicity.

The board consists of people whom are looking to maximize the equity value and brand damage, customer dissatisfaction, club performance and bad PR has a impact on equity value.

 

[Woolly Blue]

The board consists of people whom are looking to maximize the equity value and brand damage, customer dissatisfaction, club performance and bad PR has a impact on equity value.

Which only matters if they're in the process of selling the club at that point in time. If they know the equity value will recovery, and ultimately increase because TV revenue is likely to continue increasing, then you could pretty much afford to ignore it.

If you believe the board aren't actively looking to sell the club, then, barring some embarrasing headlines, it's just noise.

Simple analogy. Say I've invested in a company as a recovery play. As it's recovering the press say the investors should do more for the employees. Most investors couldn't give a rats arse, will ride it out and take their profits later without a second thought.

For the likes of Earl, that's likely to be how they see their investment in the club. It's probably more complicated for Kenwright because he has an emotional attachment to the club, but that's pretty much how I see the situation.

Others will disagree like, and that's healthy.

 

[D410]

Which only matters if they're in the process of selling the club at that point in time. If they know the equity value will recovery, and ultimately increase because TV revenue is likely to continue increasing, then you could pretty much afford to ignore it.

If you believe the board aren't actively looking to sell the club, then, barring some embarrasing headlines, it's just noise.

Simple analogy. Say I've invested in a company as a recovery play. As it's recovering the press say the investors should do more for the employees. Most investors couldn't give a rats arse, will ride it out and take their profits later without a second thought.

For the likes of Earl, that's likely to be how they see their investment in the club. It's probably more complicated for Kenwright because he has an emotional attachment to the club, but that's pretty much how I see the situation.

Others will disagree like, and that's healthy.

If the board make it through to 2016 without selling and start to tap into the new TV deal then a whole generation of new everton fans will be affected for years to come.

I would feel ashamed to turn the next generation of fans and tell them we did nothing because we felt it would be just "noise". It,s our responsibility to make sure that we do everything possible not to let the next generation of fans fall victim to the last 20 years.

It,s really that simple.

 

[The Batman]

There's no ambition, pure and simple. The board are happy as long as we stay in the league & the prem money keeps coming in.

 

[Woolly Blue]

If the board make it through to 2016 without selling and start to tap into the new TV deal then a whole generation of new everton fans will be affected for years to come.

I would feel ashamed to turn the next generation of fans and tell them we did nothing because we felt it would be just "noise". It,s our responsibility to make sure that we do everything possible not to let the next generation of fans fall victim to the last 20 years.

It,s really that simple.

OK
So, realistically, what are you going to do which will make a difference ?

Edit : My noise comment was from the boards perspective by the way. Barring Kenwright ( a minority shareholder ) , that's all it would be to them.

 

[Woolly Blue]

We are of a spontaneous support, when we survived the Coventry game to stay up we got on the pitch to celebrate but it turned to a board out shout with no plans but a feeling that grew from that point and started a fire.

I'm waiting to read the tosh stories in the next few days spun from Everton. Actively looking for investment, ground move is gaining ground, an interview with Kenwright in the mail.

I don't disagree, and if we get close to being relegated someone like Earl will be looking for a way out. He was reported as paying something like 9 million for his 23% 9 or so years ago.

I reckon under those circumstances he'd be happy with a 7 to 8% annualised return on, what would be looking like a shaky investment and take something in the order of 15 to 20 million for his shares.

The only way these guys will actively do something is if they think that'll maximise their returns. We're probably three or four years off them getting to that point though.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Don't understand why the echo isn't reporting on this or the increased discontent towards the board. Think it only reinforces some peoples beliefs that they are in the pocket of the club.

Possibly for the same reason that Talksport seem to have cut the Everton hour from the uploaded podcast of last night's show?

Wouldn't surprise me if the club's legal people had been in touch and put pressure on.

 

[Woolly Blue]

Possibly for the same reason that Talksport seem to have cut the Everton hour from the uploaded podcast of last night's show?

Wouldn't surprise me if the club's legal people had been in touch and put pressure on.

It's still there on listen again.

Use the threadmark in this thread then choose 21:00 to 21:30 and 21:30 to 22:00 to listen to the Everton specific talk.

 

[graeme2911]

I made top mail in this afternoons mailbox on f365. Will be interesting to see what (if any) replies are in tomorrow mornings mailbox.

http://www.football365.com/mailbox/9945333/Mails

Give Us An Explanation, Bill
Just a quick email to talk about Stan Collymore. I don't normally like the guy (ex-kopite as well as other, ahem, misdemeanours), but the section he did on his show last night highlighting the goings-on at Everton deserves praise.

Too often do we hear from outsiders about how great Bill Kenwright is, mainly just because he is a blue who watched us from the Boys Pen all them years ago.
Yes, arguably he saved us and secured us in the top flight when he took over some 16/17 years or so ago, but at some point you have to forget the past and look to the future. I got my 50 metre swimming badge at school 20 years ago, doesn't mean I'm going to be the next star of Baywatch.

Kenwright, the board and numerous Chief Executives have overseen 2 failed ground moves (and what is increasingly looking like a third), zero substantial investment in Goodison Park, consistently low investment into the squad only really boosted by player sales, sold our training ground for £13m only to rent it back at £1m for 40 years and have signed up for what is clearly an extremely poor (yet the easy option) merchandising deal with Kitbag. Now, we are the lowest spenders in the league despite our revenue being higher than ever thanks to the TV deal moneys.

Kenwright and co have consistently said the club is up for sale, yet 5, 10, 15 years on...not one single real deal has ever come close. I know we often do our business in private, but takeovers are very rarely completely out of the blue, and are very much common knowledge by the time they actually take place.

I don't expect us to be spending like our neighbours, Man U, Chelsea, City or Arsenal. But when the likes of Swansea and Stoke are outperforming a 9 league titles team, then something is not right. Is our debt that big that all income is just servicing it straight away? Surely with the TV deals over the last few years and our usual low spending apart from when we've sold, we cannot still be in the perilous position we were in a while back.

There is so much more that has gone on with Everton. The board members have never put a single penny into the club, as admitted by the cheif exec. The NTL deal, Fortress Sport Fund deal, Everton Place, sell old traing ground for £2m and developers buy for £9m, the list goes on.

Some of our fans scream corruption, which i think is a ludicrous claim to be honest and I really wish it would stop as it is not helping to point out our issues. But I do believe there a lot of items that either need clarifying to the fans completely, not just some half hearted lipservice. If they cannot, then it is just down to pure incompetance or negligence.

Further to all the above, and getting back to Stanley.... he did a similar section a couple of years back, and again yesterday is highlighting our issues. An ex red. If a kopite can see what a situation we are in and not just laugh, then it must be serious.

Thanks Stan.....now I just wish some of our more local hacks would produce some real investigative journalism instead of the top 10 lists, pieces about Arouna Kones hair colour and stupid quizzes about opening day fixtures. Surely a club of our stature should be treated with a bit more dignity?

So, thank you for your service Bill and co, but if you really love this club either explain our plight, find a way to improve us and make us compete again, or just go.
Graeme

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

It's still there on listen again.

Use the threadmark in this thread then choose 21:00 to 21:30 and 21:30 to 22:00 to listen to the Everton specific talk.

Ah ok. Wonder why it's not (apparently) on the podcast?

 

[joey_macmo]

Don't understand why the echo isn't reporting on this or the increased discontent towards the board. Think it only reinforces some peoples beliefs that they are in the pocket of the club.

The company that owns the echo quite literally is

 

[mkrudden]

All I took from last night is:

The Blue Union are a non-productive, history-obsessed band of beats who, when given an opportunity to air their frustrations and concerns at the topic at hand, represent the club as they say they do, instead decided to bring up Kirby, Bill's health and bog-all else.

Stan Collymore had absolutely nothing of worth to say. Kudos to the one a few years ago, where he somehow did what the ECHO are unable to do and get some sort of ball-park figure for the value of the club to the current shareholders. This time he had NOTHING and instead tried to simply bait the officials, even Kenwright himself, into calling into the show. It was absolutely embarrassing.

That saggers bloke said right at the beginning, "let's just have the facts tonight" yet decided to accept call, with respect, a bunch of everton fans who know nothing about the current on-goings behind the doors of the club.

Last point to the blues and to Collymore regarding Everton's transfer business:

Martinez said back in May:

No tournament this summer does help. Our business could happen in a much smoother manner and we will try to do it as quickly as we can with some of our targets. Others we will try to bring in late because of the type of player that we need to bring in.

How much more transparent can he be? He's not stupid, there is no point in saying last week "we 3 need players" if we are skint and can't afford them. He knows who he wants and those players may only be available on deadline day for a whole host of reasons.