John Stones transfer saga

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davek said:
It would have been a lot brighter as a scenario if it'd have been done weeks ago. Of course, the plan though is to do it as late as possible in order to retain as much of the incoming cash as they can get away with.

Mark my words: the tv cash plus what they siphon away from any Stones sale will disappear (with vague mutterings about cash for January buys and their friends in the media implying that monies are being saved for a new stadium scheme).
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The problem is mate, clubs can see that now. They know we need the money in early to do our business so try wait until the final moment to offer the full amount, as they think they can get him for say 75% of the fee if they move early. It must be widely known now. Chelsea, City and Manchester United all adopt the same tactics as do Arsenal.

The Lescott situation is spot on really. Money isn't everything and despite getting a very good deal for Lescott the following season was mucked up by us losing him. 24 million was a poor substitute.

It always made me laugh when people slagged Moyes off for buying Heitinga, Distin and Billy with the money. It showed a complete misunderstanding of how challenging it is to buy in decent players at this late stage of the window. No doubt when Martinez buys whoever he does, they are far less likely to work out, as we are taking caste offs in a hasty minded manner. It is easy to blame the manager (Moyes then, or Martinez now) but it's a lot harder to look at the broader picture.

What worries me most as I've said is the impact this will have on our manager. Moyes was never the same after the Lescott affair and almost gave up.

If we keep Stones I am more than happy to eat my hat but we will see. What is obviously not helping is the reluctance to release any funds for Martinez giving him, the fans and everyone else outside of the club the idea we can't sign anyone until we sell Stones. That may well not be the case. But some sort of statement should be coming out.

The sad thing to me is that we are driving young managers to the point of giving up a bit. Martinez (and Moyes before him) were hardly David O'Leary at Leeds. They just wanted a similar level of backing to sides around us, Stoke, West Ham etc. Look at what a player Payet looks currently. If your worst predictions come true, we sell Stones and don't bring anyone in of substance Martinez will be left with two options. 1) Resign. Or Option 2) Keep his mouth shut and get on with it. If he takes option 2 he will have a job for life like his predecessor.
 
Tubey said:
Agreed, but I disagree with what you'd class as too good to turn down. That would be £40m+ in my eyes - and I honestly believe that is the only fee Evertonians would be able to stomach.

I think we do have names lined up (fairly sure Van Dijk will be that name and, if so, he'd be a stunning signing for us), but if we sold Stones we'd have to follow that up with a £20m net spend on top of the Stones fee so that the fans are back onside - reason being that selling Stones and not actively investing in the squad off the back of it would basically signal we have no ambition as a club whatsoever.
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Sterling money is the only offer that's "too good" to turn down in my opinion

49 Million plus basically
 
The only even remote positive to take from us selling Stones near the close of the window (Should that happened as Dave suggests) would be that Celtic probably wouldn't sell Van Dijk till that point anyway and we could easily outbid Southampton with the Stones money for him.

I hope Stones doesn't leave though

If he is to leave, then it would be better to sort it sooner than later so Martinez at least has some time to spend the money

Stay though Stonesy, we love you
 

Gotagotmug said:
Anyone seen Redknapp's comments from Talksport.

Redknapp told talkSPORT: “When you’ve been in the game long enough you know, if a player wants to go, he’s going to go. I would think if the money’s right...

“David De Gea wants to leave Man United – he wants to go but it’s just when a deal can be done that suits everybody – and I think it’s the same with Stones.

“It’s a shame. Everton brought him in and gave him the opportunities, he’s been there 18 months and suddenly he’s off to Chelsea.

"But he’ll be a good signing for Chelsea and he’ll give them good cover and good competition at centre-half.”

The floppy skinned, sweaty [Pick a swear, any swear] can do one.
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Jamie or 'arry?!!
 
Gotagotmug said:
Anyone seen Redknapp's comments from Talksport.

Redknapp told talkSPORT: “When you’ve been in the game long enough you know, if a player wants to go, he’s going to go. I would think if the money’s right...

“David De Gea wants to leave Man United – he wants to go but it’s just when a deal can be done that suits everybody – and I think it’s the same with Stones.

“It’s a shame. Everton brought him in and gave him the opportunities, he’s been there 18 months and suddenly he’s off to Chelsea.

"But he’ll be a good signing for Chelsea and he’ll give them good cover and good competition at centre-half.”

The floppy skinned, sweaty [Pick a swear, any swear] can do one.
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You know what?

Reading the rantings of that irrelevant, over rated charlatan actually gives me greater confidence that Stones will stay put for now.
 
Redknapp hasn't got the slightest clue whether Stones wants to stay at Everton or not. He isn't going anywhere, because Chelsea aren't offering us silly money.
 

John is going to stay and do right by us, go to the Euros and be the stand out defender. Barca will come calling and we'll tell them to sod off and then win the league.
 

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