Luke Garbutt

Try to keep him, or let him leave ?

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I'd maybe let him go, it's a shame but he isn't making the first team regularly any time soon and he should be playing football.

Perhaps we could sign him up for two or three years and send him out to a PL team on loan next season? That would be worthwhile.
 

davek said:
The point is not to frame his actions as being 'Machiavellian', it's to underline that he deserves no 'understanding'.

I see a lot of commentary on how his motives are 'understandable'. All the understanding though should lie with the club who have developed him and bent over backwards to accommodate him.

he is what he is: an impatient individual who's intentionally engineered his own exit in order to benefit his next club financially.

Is there really any other way to see this?
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I can never understand anyone wanting to leave Everton full stop to be honest. Fortunately it doesn't happen very often...but my response is basically the same...ok then, thanks and tara. Times/ambitions/money are different issues nowadays I guess...but if the fella doesn't want to stay on the terms offered, by professional football people who observe him/his play and attitude everyday at Finch Farm and know him very well (much more than we do), then so be it.
 
Eric Djemba-Djemba said:
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I've been tagged in a post by my pal Eric Djemba-Djemba!

I wonder why he would tag me in this thread?


*sees posts*


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catcherintherye said:
Well yes, just as we will be compensated for the development of a young player between the ages of 16-21, a player who has made more appearances for Cheltenham and Colchester than Everton.
It's not really a case of "exploitation" but I suppose having a consistency in the standards towards young players. The decent thing to do for a young player at a club is contact the club directly and ask them how much they wanted. While Leeds got a 1 million or so, they wanted a lot more. We were able to exploit a loophole in the system that exists that 16 year olds can't sign a pro contract.

We breached no rules, and as you say Leeds were compensated, but we got him at a knockdown price due to the loophole. Likewise a loophole exists if players are out of contract. Clubs can go directly to the player and negotiate with him, and again we will receive compensation for developing him, thought it will be a lot less than we'd have liked. Subjectively this is annoying for Evertonian's but objectively we are merely being screwed over due to a loophole in the same way Leeds were. I think it's inconsistent to view it in any other way.

Garbutt is highly thought of by Martinez. I think the club should have got his contract tied up last season though, if that was the case. We waited until his final season, and we are always susceptible to this situation. He wants regular football which I think is fair enough. The club should have offered him a contract before this season and then we'd be able to move him on our terms. We didn't so we lose that opportunity. Expecting Garbutt to sign, potentially jeopardising his chance of first team football would be a very foolish move on his part. Yes it's shitty on his part but ultimately the club have let that situation develop.

And yes I agree with you. Even if we only get a couple of million for him with a sell on fee, we are fortunate it's an area of the pitch we are greatly covered in. We will move on as will he.
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Loopholes or not, the swoop on Leeds was different because the player was the subject of a struggle between two opposing forces for his services (such as they were at that time). Now we have no other club providing the 'pull' element as Everton did, it's just the player looking to exploit his market position. I wouldn't blame any club in the near future coming in for a cheaply priced Garbutt, in the same way as I don't blame Everton for taking advantage of a technicality with Leeds. Garbutt's attitude here is the issue. He's not an object in all this, he's made himself the subject.

Here's my attitude toward Garbutt: if he wasn't getting a sniff then fair enough, he's entitled to think 'WTF am I hanging on here for?'. But he is getting a game and he is rated by the manager and seen as the future.

Ultimately, therefore, you have to ask of a young man where their loyalty is; their corp spirit...that's not a moral stance but one very central to being at a football club. Some supporters are arguing his position for him from a 'rational individual' point of view: that he's a free operator (or will be) and he doesn't have to pay any heed to what it means to the club and his team mates...he's just exploiting the best strategy for himself. Well I cant get behind that. I believe it to be alien to life as a footballer. (Bosman's are different in that the player in question usually dont owe a current club anything having been coached to professional level elsewhere and then seeing a full pro contract out.) At base, Garbutt stance as a youngster breaking through with the help of others and offering nothing back is a case of market sentiment triumphing over a sense of community, and I dont see how we can give 'understanding' to that. We stress our community all the time; it's what binds us together and why we use forums like this to express that sense of community. It doesn't compute that we should be looking to understand a player who's stance is the antithesis of that communal approach. If you're an orthodox economist you can support it, but a football fan, no.
 
Jacob said:
I can never understand anyone wanting to leave Everton full stop to be honest. Fortunately it doesn't happen very often...but my response is basically the same...ok then, thanks and tara. Times/ambitions/money are different issues nowadays I guess...but if the fella doesn't want to stay on the terms offered, by professional football people who observe him/his play and attitude everyday at Finch Farm and know him very well (much more than we do), then so be it.
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Completely agree.

He's dead set apparently on leaving. It's just a shame we lose out financially.
 
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The lad has no loyalty to us he left Leeds when we came and may do the same this summer. Good luck to him in the future.
 

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