Martinez OUT. There i said it. (end of the season of course).

[Deleted member 24970]

Nope nope nope. Nope.

Aside from the fact that I will forgive a mid-table season in the pursuit of the long term, there is nobody we could get who could instantly do any better. Sackings for sackings' sake is what makes rubbish clubs rubbish. I thought this would die down after Christmas FFS.

Give your favourite everton player Super Kev a call and tell him to sort his head out, he isnt helping anyone

 

[KevMirallas]

Give your favourite everton player Super Kev a call and tell him to sort his head out, he isnt helping anyone

Just rung him mate, he said it's all Naismith and Barry's fault.

 

[donalmclean]

Hicks and Gillett, Roy Hodgson, their mighty dalglish didnt achieve what they hoped so he was given the boot.

Of course money plays a huge part but bobby wasnt exactly on a shoestring budget in pre season was he ?

From what i remember, for example, Dalglish spent 120 mill and finished 8th. He also, possibly, had more than that amount available? How does that compare with Roberto's available funds?
what trophies have they won since giving Hodgson and Dalglish the 'boot' btw?

 

[Dithering Dougie]

I am personally backing him and would not want him to go out on a poor run. I feel that the team looks a little nervous playing his style of play, there are plenty who are growing frustrated with him and want him out, but as this thread shows, maybe apart from Groucho and Furey the rest of just out to bombard you with negativity simply because you may not agree with their view point.

Paul you've said you want him out, sacked, in what bizarre reality is that backing a manager?

As for the self pity poor me stance you're taking I've not seen anything getting personal, you created this thread as is your right to, you've put forward your ideas, thoughts and wishes and the majority are disagreeing with it and pointing out the flaws in it that's all.

 

[bicycleheader]

because they cant play their natural game, everything is slow and the players look nervous each game they play, this comes from Martinez and the drilling of his philosophy into the players minds. It is evident to all but the Martinez fans who will blame everyone but the man in charge.

Your comment on the problem doesn´t really actually mean anything IMO. Whats their natural game? What are these directions coming from Martinez? "play slow" ? Why did they play okay last season with what would probably be very similar instructions?

Sorry but your "analysis" here reads like insight from an article in The Sun or something. I don´t mean to put the boot in, I am pointing out why your OP would be written off as kneejerk by some because its seems much of what you say is not thought through with balance, as much as you try to make it sound like that. The problems are manifold......and not as simplistic as you seem to be saying, and certainly not all the managers fault.

Your comment on other fans is as OTT as some of the negative replies to posts like yours that you are complaining about on here.

 

[Pienaar's gloves]

I want us to steer clear of the bottom three, pick up some good results and have a real crack at the Europa League - and then start next season with further targets and write this one off for the most part.

 

[Bungle]

Absolutely phenomenal Paul

 

[Deleted member 24970]

Recent decisions and events need to take into account the context of the situation we find ourselves in, obviously this affects decision making. You don´t allow above for the fact that things happening now will not necessarily be what will happen if we get to better times again under him, and were not necessarily happening last season under him.

You mention refusal to change and then also mention him making decisions in favour of "a less fancied but winning formula". Contradicting yourself.

Alcaraz for Besic seemed to me to be tactical to change the shape and try something different. Its possible this led directly to Colemans big chance at the end. Calling a midfielder off for a defender substitution automatically negative is just silly. Its not as simplistic as that.

You mention the usual "moyes would be lynched for that"....failing to note that Moyes was criticised for these things because many people had enough after YEARS of that stuff. This manager has had just over a season and a half only, and one was a very very good one.

It doesn´t take Messi and Xavi and others to play a decent passing game. I´m sorry but this is just an extreme comment made to try put your point through. Theres lots of levels between Messi and Tony Hibbert when it comes to footballing ability and some of our players are decent enough on that scale.

Having said all that, basically @chicoazul is right with his first response to the post.

I´m going to repeat myself again and preach patience. Something most football fans lack IMO.

We are not going to explode and disappear under this manager, so lets just wait and see. If ultimately it doesn´t work, then on to the next man. he shouldn´t get all the credit for last season, and he shouldnt get all the stick for this.

Whilst i feel your reply seems balanced, let me just explain what i mean by a less fancied but winning formula, if we are 0-0 at home to a lower team (no disrespect intended) then i would like for him to bring on mcgeady for example for barkley, even though barkley is the better player, i feel that finding the right formula as much as it may be unpopular will help martinez and the team. Dropping Lukaku for Kone to change the influence on a game is another, for example lukaku is great at one vs one with the keeper but away at Chelsea i would like to see Kone on the filed to hold up play a releive pressure on the defence.

Lately he has taken besic off in favour of barry which has called for his substitutions to improve.

 

[bluemangroup]

Absolutely phenomenal Paul

Stop knee jerking please.

 

[bicycleheader]

Whilst i feel your reply seems balanced, let me just explain what i mean by a less fancied but winning formula, if we are 0-0 at home to a lower team (no disrespect intended) then i would like for him to bring on mcgeady for example for barkley, even though barkley is the better player, i feel that finding the right formula as much as it may be unpopular will help martinez and the team. Dropping Lukaku for Kone to change the influence on a game is another, for example lukaku is great at one vs one with the keeper but away at Chelsea i would like to see Kone on the filed to hold up play a releive pressure on the defence.

Lately he has taken besic off in favour of barry which has called for his substitutions to improve.

yes but, refer again to my point on context.

We are having an awful season and the team are devoid of confidence, and WERE shipping goals. This had to be halted.

His decisions right now are different than they may be in other times and should be judged as such.

 

[donalmclean]

Whilst i feel your reply seems balanced, let me just explain what i mean by a less fancied but winning formula, if we are 0-0 at home to a lower team (no disrespect intended) then i would like for him to bring on mcgeady for example for barkley, even though barkley is the better player, i feel that finding the right formula as much as it may be unpopular will help martinez and the team. Dropping Lukaku for Kone to change the influence on a game is another, for example lukaku is great at one vs one with the keeper but away at Chelsea i would like to see Kone on the filed to hold up play a releive pressure on the defence.

Lately he has taken besic off in favour of barry which has called for his substitutions to improve.

he took besic off and left barry on last night due to the fact that both were on yellows, hence barry was already missing the next games through suspension and he didnt want besic picking up another yellow which would have meant both would be suspended at the same time.

 

[Bungle]

Stop knee jerking please.

 

[orly]

UNLEASH THE GIFS

 

[blue61]

@Paul Bernard . I understand your concerns, I'm sure we're all peeved with how this season has panned out. In fact, if I had bumped into Martinez walking out of the KC Stadium on new years day, I would have hung him from the humber bridge with the free scarf they gave us. However, he needs the summer to sort the deadwood of this squad out, he deserves that. The fact that we've changed our style a bit to shore things up shows he's open to change, as he must be to become a better manager. Keep the faith brother, next Christmas is the time to judge him.

 

[Bungle]

UNLEASH THE GIFS