Yes or No: post WBA result should Martinez be sacked?

[bignev23]

So, from the end of November when we were four points off 5th place and five points off 4th place, it was easily forecasting that we'd be where we are now?

Incredible.

There have been problems all season, they haven't been addressed . I think that's what most people are saying, and they would be right.

 

[Allezfan]

I for one didn't ever expect it to get this bad.

Yes we had a slow start but we played well in a lot of games, too. We were middling and we looked as likely to get it together as to fall apart. We've done the latter rather than the former obviously. But I don't think it was inevitable.

 

[roydo]

But I don't think it was inevitable.

Absolutely. The over-riding emotion I had after the first of those Christmas games was bewilderment.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

I for one didn't ever expect it to get this bad.

Yes we had a slow start but we played well in a lot of games, too. We were middling and we looked as likely to get it together as to fall apart. We've done the latter rather than the former obviously. But I don't think it was inevitable.

I don't think anyone suggested that it was inevitable mate, Dave's just trying to polarise the debate again, but people were showing concern, as the league performances were unconvincing at best.

 

[Allezfan]

I don't think anyone suggested that it was inevitable mate, Dave's just trying to polarise the debate again, but people were showing concern, as the league performances were unconvincing at best.

But I do think it's got a lot worse than people were expecting.

I mean we weren't convincing but we were also winning in europe, matching arsenal, generally playing reasonably well in most games apart from defensive errors. We didn't look world beaters and you're right the warning signs were there as were the people who spotted them.

But I think a line needs to be drawn between the early season 'not that convincing middling form' to the last few months 'couldn't crack a joke' form. Warning signs or no that fall of a cliff wasn't easily predictable.

 

[BernieWright13]

It's all one giant conspiracy by people who never wanted him in the first place.

These plotters are laughing their tits off at our league position and upcoming relegation battle as it means that they were right all along. Which of course is more important that the sticky predicament we find ourselves in. I mean, who would be worried about relegation when they can relax knowing that they were right on the internet ? Sure relegation is a small price to pay for getting rid of a manager you didn't want in the first place. A few seasons in the Championship will do us no harm at all.

You really couldn't make this stuff up.

And yet they do

 

[bizzaro]

It's all one giant conspiracy by people who never wanted him in the first place.

These plotters are laughing their tits off at our league position and upcoming relegation battle as it means that they were right all along. Which of course is more important that the sticky predicament we find ourselves in. I mean, who would be worried about relegation when they can relax knowing that they were right on the internet ? Sure relegation is a small price to pay for getting rid of a manager you didn't want in the first place. A few seasons in the Championship will do us no harm at all.

You really couldn't make this stuff up.

Laughing?

You hear this @davek . These lot are laughing.

Once a blue always a blue eh?

 

[bignev23]

I for one didn't ever expect it to get this bad.

Yes we had a slow start but we played well in a lot of games, too. We were middling and we looked as likely to get it together as to fall apart. We've done the latter rather than the former obviously. But I don't think it was inevitable.

it was only on 30th November against Spurs that our dreadful run started so basically we've only been really bad for 7 weeks. most could see it wasn't going to end up like last season in the league but only the doom mongers would have predicted the position were in now.

 

[rochdaleblue]

Most people's grievances have not just been over our form of late 1 win in 13 in the league, but over the course of the season. Our pre-season preparation was a joke at best, the itinerary and standard of opposition no way prepared us for the start of the season. Injuries have hindered us badly throughout the season, but all clubs have injuries to concern themselves with. Our performances have poor for the majority of the season in the league and the manager has shown he isn't adaptable, when we have struggled as there has been no plan B. We desperately need some players in to halt the slide(a keeper, centre half and a winger) even any on loan would fill the squad out and give us much needed competition in these areas. Failure to address this, will IMO see us continue to struggle and will ultimately cost Roberto his job.

 

[The Equaliser]

But I do think it's got a lot worse than people were expecting.

I mean we weren't convincing but we were also winning in europe, matching arsenal, generally playing reasonably well in most games apart from defensive errors. We didn't look world beaters and you're right the warning signs were there as were the people who spotted them.

But I think a line needs to be drawn between the early season 'not that convincing middling form' to the last few months 'couldn't crack a joke' form. Warning signs or no that fall of a cliff wasn't easily predictable.

Defensively we were bad from the off tbf. But we were still decent enough in the other half of the pitch to mask over that problem. Then as the confidence drained it became more and more apparent that the real problem lay - at the back. Not practicing defending set-pieces became more and more costly, as did trying to pass it out of our own half when under pressure from the opposition. So then the goals also dried up and here we are 4 points off the drop-zone.

 

[L4Everton]

Laughing?

You hear this @davek . These lot are laughing.

Once a blue always a blue eh?

They, like I, are laughing at him. Laughing a lot. He is continually called out for what he has posted previous and continually ignores being held accountable for his regular and simple-minded stupidity. Hes a laughing stock. There have been doubts raised just how genuine he is, because it takes no great leap of thought to get to his mumblings adding up to being a massive pish take.

The person that can't stand up and admit they were wrong has no place questioning anyone else. So the epitomy of Martinez' current standing then.

Laughable. Hilarious. A walking Joke.

 

[The Equaliser]

Laughing?

You hear this @davek . These lot are laughing.

Once a blue always a blue eh?

Laughing at all these "MOYES RUINS STRIKERS" posters.

Yes. He's obviously ruined Jelavic. Ha Ha Ha.

AT LEAST WE'RE NOT VILLA !

Davek needs reminding. His outrageous comments are remembered. He's not above being vaulted.

 

[The_La]

Whole situation is very worrying but I think he has 3 games coming up which will make or break him. If he can win one of them - or even draw all three - I think we'll be ok and so will he. But potential is there to lose all three and I think very few managers could expect to stay in a job if they win one in 16. He'd have to go.

I'm not one for conspiracy theories at all, but I can say that some of the stuff being spouted is not that wide of the mark. There are definitely members of staff at Everton who have begun to turn against Roberto and are doubting his methods/philosophy. It's not as serious as a dressing room revolt and all that garbage - but there is definite restlessness and complaining going on.

End of the day, it's only results that can turn it round for Martinez.

 

[efcforever]

For god's sake!!!! he's not spent the last 10 years on the 12th moon of Jupiter - the man practically breathes football! At least he's not phenomally delusional and has had the benefit of a bird's eye view in every game throughout this stinking, rotten excuse of a season!

This doesn't compare to other sentimental appointments like Southgate at Boro, Shearer at Newcastle or Dalglish at deh shyt. The first two were inexperienced, and although Dalglish was never the man to move them forward, they at least won a sodding trophy!

Indeed, am I suggesting that Joe is going to give us long term success? No. Do I think he'll take a good hard look at the state of affairs and secure short term stability in a broken dressing room with no leadership? Yes.

He's forgotten more than Roberto knows and if he can get us out of the mess we were in 20 years ago, he can CERTAINLY get us out of this one. His emphasis was always on playing to strengths and teamwork - nobody was bigger than the club back then and it showed.

Royle teams were built around a strong spine - Walker's "progressive" brand of football seriously undermimed the abilities of Southall and Watson, and by the time Walker was coming to the end, they both looked ripe for the knackers yard. 7 months later, they are FA Cup winners.

Dog of War in midfield, Ferguson in attack. He arrived at the same time as some no mark callled Ian Durant, and looked to be going the same way (back north) until Royle used the shape of the team to make the most of Dunc.

Ditto Limpar, he practically had one foot on the first plane to Japan. Royle took him to one side first day of training and said he believed in him. Limpar was our most "gifted" player back then before AK arrived, so the team (drumroll) played to his strengths!

This time around, there is a lot more quality. Surely Royle can take Barkley to one side and (having love-tapped his lug) tell him "look son, fook what the crowd think, some nutters think you're worth 40 million. Just play as you know you can, because it will come off eventually".

Just imagine, if BK times his axe swing properly, Big Joe's first game could ONCE AGAIN be Liverpool at home.... under the lights! Deja futhamucking vu! Surely THAT's got to be worth something. It'd be something for those lazy barsteward journos to milk at least....

Love this post!

 

[bizzaro]

@davek

Never forget. Everton had a dodgy patch.

THEY laughed!