Yes or No: post WBA result should Martinez be sacked?

[JAYTALITY]

People overstate this. Its accuracy deminishes and it becomes prone to jamming if dirty.

To have/be a seemingsly flawless weapon you've got to clean it regularly.


Abit like our team. We're missing wingers. Proper wingers who are available.

Its like having a faulty ejector. We're getting stoppages and its affecting our effectiveness

Well of course but two ligit constant wingers would need to carry a recoilless weapon, lightweight artillery that is designed to allow some of the pressure to escape creating a forward thrust up to the byline and thus creating more opportunity for our atomic Lukaku bomb.

 

[JAYTALITY]

LOL.

It is still one of the most reliable weapons out there, and compared to nearly every other weapon - the AK can still fire under water, covered with mud, sand and pretty much anything out there. It very rarely jams, which has won quite a few battles on the fields, and it's also designed to be used under extreme conditions by the Russians, which they did very well.

Because of the simple design and very few moving parts it is also very cheap and extremely easy to maintain (and make), you just need to be shown probably once or twice and even you'd be able to take it apart.

There's probably people on here who have used it, so they can comment more on that, but not in this thread.

Either way this comment was very irrelevant to the discussion,carry on.

That was very good but can you link them Ak47 attributes to Everton somehow?

 

[hktoffee]

Summary:

26 Dec Stoke City (H) 0 - 1 39,166 12th
Sun 28 Dec Newcastle United (A) 2 - 3 Kone, Mirallas 52,313 12th
Thu 1 Jan Hull City (A) 0 - 2 23,865 13th
Tue 6 Jan West Ham United (H) 1 - 1 Lukaku 22,236
Sat 10 Jan Manchester City (H) 1 - 1 Naismith 39,499 12th
Tue 13 Jan West Ham United (A) 2 - 2 Mirallas, Lukaku (West Ham win 9-8 on pens) 25,301
Mon 19 Jan West Bromwich Albion (H) 0 - 0 34,739 12th

Post-Stoke poll - 27 Dec 2014 596 votes; 20.3% : 79.7%
2L (league games)
Post-Hull poll - 2 Jan 2015 803 votes; 36.6% : 63.4%
2D (league games)
Post-West Brom poll - 20 Jan 2015 585 votes; 38.1% : 61.9% (as of today; poll will be closed tomorrow)

Since the Stoke poll, we draw 2 and lost 2 in the league. We gained 2 points out of a possible 12. The "yes" voters up by 17.8%.

 

[davek]

Summary:

26 Dec Stoke City (H) 0 - 1 39,166 12th
Sun 28 Dec Newcastle United (A) 2 - 3 Kone, Mirallas 52,313 12th
Thu 1 Jan Hull City (A) 0 - 2 23,865 13th
Tue 6 Jan West Ham United (H) 1 - 1 Lukaku 22,236
Sat 10 Jan Manchester City (H) 1 - 1 Naismith 39,499 12th
Tue 13 Jan West Ham United (A) 2 - 2 Mirallas, Lukaku (West Ham win 9-8 on pens) 25,301
Mon 19 Jan West Bromwich Albion (H) 0 - 0 34,739 12th

Post-Stoke poll - 27 Dec 2014 596 votes; 20.3% : 79.7%
2L (league games)
Post-Hull poll - 2 Jan 2015 803 votes; 36.6% : 63.4%
2D (league games)
Post-West Brom poll - 20 Jan 2015 585 votes; 38.1% : 61.9% (as of today; poll will be closed tomorrow)

Since the Stoke poll, we draw 2 and lost 2 in the league. We gained 2 points out of a possible 12. The "yes" voters up by 17.8%.

It all amounts to the same thing: the vast majority are still behind Martinez and the plotters have failed.

 

[hktoffee]

It all amounts to the same thing: the vast majority are still behind Martinez and the plotters have failed.

About 4 : 6. There are still 200 votes missing from the Hull poll.

Do another pool after the Liverpool game. Will be interesting.

Apparently, there are 25,514 GOD members, barely 2.29% members voted.

 

[Tubey]

It all amounts to the same thing: the vast majority are still behind Martinez and the plotters have failed.

It means nothing. The majority still wanted Moyes until he left. All it means is that Evertonians generally back their manager, even if reason dictates otherwise.

 

[catcherintherye]

That's a great post...except for the fact that its premise is utterly flawed. I've not exactly been slow at coming forward in criticising the manager that I've 'nailed my colours to the mast' for. Far from it.

Me, I believe in a bit of loyalty. Loyalty to the manager who got all the plaudits for last season (you included). The real issue here is why you're so fickle in your support for Martinez rather than why I'm so steadfast in my support. I'm glad to say though that the usual 2/3rds of those who've voted on this poll so far err toward loyalty. That's a lesson the failed plotters need to learn sooner rather than later.

BTW, there may well be a whole spectrum of football styles, but you're obvious distaste for a possession based game shuts you off to at least half of that spectrum.

In the end this sums it up best. I have always tried to avoid knee jerk reactions in all walks of life, particularly football. He had a fantastic season last season, which to me earns him the right to have a disappointing one this year. This also has to go alongside an acknowledgement that whatever manager we employed after Moyes was going to need time to put their own style and philosophy on a club that had had a manager for well over a decade. During that transformation it may have been a rocky road.

I have to say I have always admired both Everton fans and Everton as a club, as one that doesn't buck to modern trends. Football is now a huge commercial business and with the growth of social media has allowed fans to access the club and discuss things in a way that there haven't been in previous decades. This does however lead to a short termism, a "knee jerking" for want of a better word.

Having said that, having given Moyes the job and the job description of rebuilding the team it was an outrageous decision to sack him (note I said having given him the job) the same is true with Martinez. I would hate us to go sacking someone before they were given enough time to make it work. The way Chelsea conduct themselves to me is the opposite of how we should look to behave. At the heart of Everton is and should be a fairness.

Not only is it ethically sound, but it's the most efficient way of doing things. The costs involved in replacing a management team would not bode well for us. Also clubs who have continually changed managers have underperformed, it breeds an instability. In particular Spurs who have had a lot of managers haven't delivered much on their extravagant spending.

I remember at various times under Moyes when we had a difficult patch, there were those who wanted us to sack him to bring in the latest flavour of the month. Sometimes it was Coyle, sometimes Paul Jewell. I don't think either of those managers would have been as good as Moyes.

So yes, by all means people should be critical of Martinez. This season is not going well. But short of looking like we are going to get relegated I am not sure getting rod of him serves much purpose. By September next year, I will hope he has started to build a team in his own image though.

 

[Abraders]

We're pretty sh*t at the whole 'movement' malarky. Have been for years too. Never understood why!

 

[Abraders]

I don't think last night was the same though, we have been playing more direct lately, and been more effective because of it. Last night, we played a team who had absolutely no intention of coming out of their own half, playing in a way most teams would struggle to break down. We tried it long, direct, short but it didn't happen. It might have, if our resident Belgian shithouse didn't have his episode, but there you go.

We didn't try moving though did we? For all our possession you'd think the attackers would actually run around into space, creating space etc, but they just stand perfectly still, marked, waiting for the ball to come and bounce off of them. So boring.

 

[micknick]

 

[zandvoort blue]

About 4 : 6. There are still 200 votes missing from the Hull poll.

Do another pool after the Liverpool game. Will be interesting.

Apparently, there are 25,514 GOD members, barely 2.29% members voted.

12500 chico multis
12500 damo multis
a massive regiment of Mods, Dave K and then one or two others like

 

[sageyefc]

Cant wait for them to start losing again, shut that fat meff up

 

[DualityNSNO]

It jams regularly if not maintained well. You don't know jack.

Including about Everton's problems.

Lol okay mate forgot you're an expert on everything. Have you even seen one, like for real? Any gun jams if you put rocks in it like a pleb, point was it takes about 1 minute to clean and is probably still one of the best and cheapest guns available.

Go back to babbling on about FFP and writing in many fonts, colours and sizes.

Also did I say anything about Everton in here so far?

 

[DualityNSNO]

That was very good but can you link them Ak47 attributes to Everton somehow?

No, but if you give an AK to Besic...

 

[Seanjd]

Just can't abide to the notion that one good season earns you a bad one. It sounds so defeatist, unambitious and really depends how bad the season that the good one earned you is.