Nick Clegg V Nigel Farage.

[chicoazul]

There's no real difference between Catholics and Protestants. In fact none whatsoever.

I just hope that Northern Ireland and Scotland realise that some day.

 

[Tubey]

Not to the level of Sharia law and Sharia courts. I am not saying they shouldn't be allowed to have some little things but overall I am talking about Sharia and anything on that level which would challenge our actual legal systems and throw them aside for those using them.

Well, that's the case right now, and will be. No aspect of Sharia Law has any jurisdiction whatsoever in our legal system, period. Scaremongering aside, there's absolutely zero chance there ever will be either. As we are a secular/Christian country.

The thing is, the vast majority of Muslims accept that as the case too. It's not an achievable goal and they are normal people who understand that.

 

[Royal]

Well, that's the case right now, and will be. No aspect of Sharia Law has any jurisdiction whatsoever in our legal system, period. Scaremongering aside, there's absolutely zero chance there ever will be either. As we are a secular/Christian country.

The thing is, the vast majority of Muslims accept that as the case too. It's not an achievable goal and they are normal people who understand that.

I know mate I agree. I didn't say all muslims thought that way, did I?
While it's unlikely, if we have the level of immigration we have now with the same birthrates we have now, in the future it won't be impossible. Some of the people who fear this the most are muslims. Some of the biggest critics of militant islam are muslims. It doesn't mean we can't condemn those in radicalised places, does it? If we don't pay attention to extremism because we're scared of offending the majority of them who are normal, we enable extremism.

 

[Walken]

I know mate I agree. I didn't say all muslims thought that way, did I?
While it's unlikely, if we have the level of immigration we have now with the same birthrates we have now, in the future it won't be impossible. Some of the people who fear this the most are muslims. Some of the biggest critics of militant islam are muslims. It doesn't mean we can't condemn those in radicalised places, does it? If we don't pay attention to extremism because we're scared of offending the majority of them who are normal, we enable extremism.

integration is the responsibility of both sides if its to be effective though, and sharia student loans, while people may not like the name, allows the next generation to go to university, recieve a western higher education, and in the long run can only have positive effects for society

 

[Tubey]

I know mate I agree. I didn't say all muslims thought that way, did I?
While it's unlikely, if we have the level of immigration we have now with the same birthrates we have now, in the future it won't be impossible. Some of the people who fear this the most are muslims. Some of the biggest critics of militant islam are muslims. It doesn't mean we can't condemn those in radicalised places, does it? If we don't pay attention to extremism because we're scared of offending the majority of them who are normal, we enable extremism.

Nobody has done any different - we have declared war on these types of people and even this week we're investigating the Muslim Brotherhood for this exact reason, which has pretty much 100% popular support, and rightly so.

Nobody at all is scared about speaking about Islamic extremism - what people dislike is the application of the values of those extremists to the entire Muslim population when it's abundantly clear that it's ridiculous to do so. Not saying you do, as what you have typed there is fine, but the likes of Nik clearly adopt that sort of irrationality.

You'd honestly find that the vast majority of the population would welcome open discussion on Islamic influence in the UK - but that discussion can't include those who are, simply put, idiots, like the EDL, who have hijacked the discussion with their braindead antics.

If people who have even the remotest concerns about extremist Islam want to have progressive debate on the subject, they should actually despise the EDL more than even the most vehement left-winger.

 

[magicjuan]

There are many out there, plenty of ex Muslims as well. I just literally can't be arsed going to the effort of justifying myself to randomers on the net. All the info is out there.

Youtube critics of Islam or something. You'll probably just stare at the screen like no no no cat and mutter something about fear and tolerance like the self riteous douchbag somewhere above.

It's all there. I'm just really not that bothered about what you think as individuals but collectively I think your ignorance of sharia law and the persecution of millions around the globe today is a worry for everyone. Tolerant and peaceful Muslims included.

Sanctimony. You are the mirror image of those you condemn. Your faux concern for the collective ignorance is self righteousness in the extreme.
You have certainly paddled yourself up hypocrisy creek.

 

[roydo]

I could get you a Sharia compliant pension fund if anyone is interested.

 

[Tubey]

I could get you a Sharia compliant pension fund if anyone is interested.

Does it come with a free terrorist alarm clock?

 

[Royal]

Nobody has done any different - we have declared war on these types of people and even this week we're investigating the Muslim Brotherhood for this exact reason, which has pretty much 100% popular support, and rightly so.

Nobody at all is scared about speaking about Islamic extremism - what people dislike is the application of the values of those extremists to the entire Muslim population when it's abundantly clear that it's ridiculous to do so. Not saying you do, as what you have typed there is fine, but the likes of Nik clearly adopt that sort of irrationality.

You'd honestly find that the vast majority of the population would welcome open discussion on Islamic influence in the UK - but that discussion can't include those who are, simply put, idiots, like the EDL, who have hijacked the discussion with their braindead antics.

If people who have even the remotest concerns about extremist Islam want to have progressive debate on the subject, they should actually despise the EDL more than even the most vehement left-winger.

While I do agree with you to some degree, I feel it's harsh to condemn people like Nik and the EDL as just "idiots" - when you feel your needs are being ignored you are likely to turn to a more extreme way. Liverpool does not have the issues somewhere like Luton does.

 

[Tubey]

While I do agree with you to some degree, I feel it's harsh to condemn people like Nik and the EDL as just "idiots" - when you feel your needs are being ignored you are likely to turn to a more extreme way. Liverpool does not have the issues somewhere like Luton does.

I've lived in Preston which has a sizeable Muslim population - not quite as sizeable as Luton but that's besides the point. I'd understand Nik and the EDL if they had any concept of scope when it comes to their beliefs, but they apply a very limited experience to an entire population, which is quite frankly idiotic.

Also, the bold bit, that's the exact argument Muslim extremists use to justify their actions. Nik and the EDL are mirror images of that which they despise, yet are too limited to realise it.

 

[EFCNIK]

I've lived in Preston which has a sizeable Muslim population - not quite as sizeable as Luton but that's besides the point. I'd understand Nik and the EDL if they had any concept of scope when it comes to their beliefs, but they apply a very limited experience to an entire population, which is quite frankly idiotic.

Also, the bold bit, that's the exact argument Muslim extremists use to justify their actions. Nik and the EDL are mirror images of that which they despise, yet are too limited to realise it.

Even I'm not biting at that one tubes.

But still lol at people who think Islam is a religion of peace. There a peaceful Muslims, but the Quran and sharia and therefore Islam are certainly not x

 

[Seamus Colemole]

When did you first decide to read the quran?

 

[EFCNIK]

I haven't read all of it but I've read parts. The key thing to know about the Quran is that sets it apart, it is a book of commands written by one man. It's not a collection of stories. It is commands on how to live your life, and how if you don't follow it you are the scum of the earth and should be killed because of it. The Quran starts out quite peaceful but the latter parts of it are violent. Sharia law runs through it and is essential to those who follow Islam.

The key thing here is that the quaran dictates that of any of the earlier parts contradict themselves with the latter parts, then the latter parts supersede the earlier parts.

So you will find peace in the Quran and you will find violence. So either sides of the argument will always find evidence to back themselves up. But it's important to remember the order of superseding.

Oh and they worship a prophet who thinks it's sound to have sex with 9 year olds. Not that Islamic pedophile gangs are problem over here or anything.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

When did you last try to make a car from home on the internet, or build a military jet, or construct a submarine, or build a house. You really ought to get out of your little cocoon of smuggery and see the rest of the world other than through a computer.

You originally said that no one wants to live in remote areas because there's no work there. Are you saying now that unless there is every kind of heavy industry imaginable, that qualifies as no work? I'm not suggesting for one minute that every type of work will be available in every kind of place. That has never been the case. I'm saying that there is a good amount of work that can be done regardless of physical location, and this kind of work is only increasing.

I was speaking only last week to a senior bloke at Cisco about this very thing. He was just on his way to a briefing at the House of Lords on the topic. It's really not as cloud cuckoo as you seem to think it is.

 

[magicjuan]

Even I'm not biting at that one tubes.

But still lol at people who think Islam is a religion of peace. There a peaceful Muslims, but the Quran and sharia and therefore Islam are certainly not x

If Islam is ttherefore a religion of war, what is the differential between it, Judaism and Christianity, and their respective nations, easily the greatest proponents of the use of war as an economic model, including funding the Islamic extremists you are so worried by?