Tom Ince

mkrudden · January 10, 2014

Whitty said:
Zaha will turn out to be a top player. Certainly better than Ince, but that's not to say Ince won't be a success as well. Ideally if Utd come in for Baines i'd insist on Zaha being part of any deal but i'd still be happy with Ince.

I have no idea what you are basing this on. Theyve had similar experiences at Championship level, Ince just hasnt had his move to the Premiership yet.

RFUS · January 10, 2014

All signs suggest he's an absolute whopper and I love having a team of top notch lids, so no thanks.

Whitty · January 10, 2014

mkrudden said:
I have no idea what you are basing this on. Theyve had similar experiences at Championship level, Ince just hasnt had his move to the Premiership yet.

from watching them play

bluestevon · January 10, 2014

RadioFriendlyUnitShifter said:
All signs suggest he's an absolute whopper and I love having a team of top notch lids, so no thanks.

Thought the same myself mate until i started reading around, and most of the bad stuff about him came from when the rs let him go and their fans opinions etc, interesting like but at blackpool theirs not been any crap about him

sexualchocolate · January 10, 2014

RadioFriendlyUnitShifter said:
All signs suggest he's an absolute whopper and I love having a team of top notch lids, so no thanks.

I'm sure his auld lad has already slapped some sense into him if he was playing up earlier in his career, no better person to keep him on track so i wouldn't worry about that issue, i've never seen him playing other than snippets so cant comment on whether he's any use or not

MartSlinger · January 10, 2014

His Dad is his biggest problem. If he got rid of Paul and got a proper agent Tom would be sound.

USABlue · January 10, 2014

Seems a decent prospect and we could use a good young winger. As long as he doesn't turn out to have a poor attitude or cost 8 mil sign him up

Librarian · January 10, 2014

I have no idea whether or not Ince has a bad attitude or not and I have never seen any examples to back this claim up. Maybe he does and someone can point it out. So far though it just sounds like one of those things that gets said and becomes conventional wisdom like 'no end product'' or 'doesn't track back' or 'goes missing'.

Not having a go at anyone here because maybe I've missed something.

Otherwise,.It sounds a bit Xfactor judging panel, thumbs up thumbs down, where you have to say a player is either ace or gash but nothing in between.

Toffeelover · January 10, 2014

I would have said judging fom Roberto's remarks about not talking of other club's players means there is no real interest in Ince.

mkrudden · January 10, 2014

Whitty said:
from watching them play

Forgive me mate, im not doubting your football knowledge, merely your ability to see into the future with such a definitive outlook.

Theres plenty of players who have looked superb prospects, our very own Jack Rodwell being a good example.

Lots of things will affect a players progression, such as their attitude, injuries, chances in the first team...plus some players realise their talent a little later than what is expected (Aaron Ramsey).

I just dont think you can say that Zaha will be the better player. After all, hes hardly set the world alight at Utd, a club in desperation - proven by the fact that they are relying upon an 18 year old and a 41 year old to feed Wayne Rooney!

mkrudden · January 10, 2014

Librarian said:
I have no idea whether or not Ince has a bad attitude or not and I have never seen any examples to back this claim up. Maybe he does and someone can point it out. So far though it just sounds like one of those things that gets said and becomes conventional wisdom like 'no end product'' or 'doesn't track back' or 'goes missing'.

Not having a go at anyone here because maybe I've missed something.

Otherwise,.It sounds a bit Xfactor judging panel, thumbs up thumbs down, where you have to say a player is either ace or gash but nothing in between.

This.

bluestevon · January 10, 2014

Librarian said:
I have no idea whether or not Ince has a bad attitude or not and I have never seen any examples to back this claim up. Maybe he does and someone can point it out. So far though it just sounds like one of those things that gets said and becomes conventional wisdom like 'no end product'' or 'doesn't track back' or 'goes missing'.

Not having a go at anyone here because maybe I've missed something.

Otherwise,.It sounds a bit Xfactor judging panel, thumbs up thumbs down, where you have to say a player is either ace or gash but nothing in between.

As i said mate, most if not all of the attitude thing stems back from his time in the youth team with the rs, maybe not making it their sorted him out or maybe he matured with age, or maybe it was always just bs to explain why they didn't rate him their

Tubey · January 10, 2014

There were many signs when he was at Liverpool that he was a Grade A toss pot, and for our limited finances I wouldn't want to see us risk any amount of money on him.

Not only that, I just don't think he's good enough at all for the Premier League. Liverpool let him go for next to nothing for a reason, and clubs didn't pay the ridiculous money when he went through his little good spell last year, and now it looks like only Swansea are seriously interested in him. You have to remember the level he's at; I'd be expecting him to be tearing clubs apart in a Ronaldo-esque fashion week in, week out at that level to be good enough for us at present.

Martinez has said we don't need to panic buy and bring in personalities who could disrupt the team. I agree with him. Ince for me is too much of a risk for not much possible reward.

steken1 · January 10, 2014

Tubey said:
There were many signs when he was at Liverpool that he was a Grade A toss pot, and for our limited finances I wouldn't want to see us risk any amount of money on him.

Not only that, I just don't think he's good enough at all for the Premier League. Liverpool let him go for next to nothing for a reason, and clubs didn't pay the ridiculous money when he went through his little good spell last year, and now it looks like only Swansea are seriously interested in him. You have to remember the level he's at; I'd be expecting him to be tearing clubs apart in a Ronaldo-esque fashion week in, week out at that level to be good enough for us at present.

Martinez has said we don't need to panic buy and bring in personalities who could disrupt the team. I agree with him. Ince for me is too much of a risk for not much possible reward.

Tubes most players are bell ends. he's only young. If he was our player out on loan doing what he's doing we'd be screaming for him back.

bluestevon · January 10, 2014

Tubey said:
There were many signs when he was at Liverpool that he was a Grade A toss pot, and for our limited finances I wouldn't want to see us risk any amount of money on him.

Not only that, I just don't think he's good enough at all for the Premier League. Liverpool let him go for next to nothing for a reason, and clubs didn't pay the ridiculous money when he went through his little good spell last year, and now it looks like only Swansea are seriously interested in him. You have to remember the level he's at; I'd be expecting him to be tearing clubs apart in a Ronaldo-esque fashion week in, week out at that level to be good enough for us at present.

Martinez has said we don't need to panic buy and bring in personalities who could disrupt the team. I agree with him. Ince for me is too much of a risk for not much possible reward.

Players let players go all the time and it comes back to bite them on the arse tho mate, pogba and pique and rossi for three examples of that, didnt we also have baines initially too?