davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Precisely mate. And I wonder how much of an advantage being 11 years in the job gives too? A distinct one over other clubs who may have more dosh but chop and change managers frequently.
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Precisely mate. And I wonder how much of an advantage being 11 years in the job gives too? A distinct one over other clubs who may have more dosh but chop and change managers frequently.
I think this is not Moyes fault,Jelavic is trying too hard, he was scoring for fun last year and his goals were one touch, now
expectation is bigger and his confidence is much lower so he is thinking too much about the chances and he acts like
he is scared when he gets the ball in and around the box.
He is still running and trying and I really hope he gets a break soon- a goal in FA cup tie with Wigan would be nice!
He should relax and the goals will come
expectation is bigger and his confidence is much lower so he is thinking too much about the chances and he acts like
he is scared when he gets the ball in and around the box.
He is still running and trying and I really hope he gets a break soon- a goal in FA cup tie with Wigan would be nice!
He should relax and the goals will come
ToffeeMike
Player Valuation: £25m
Its strange that nobody notices this, especially looking at the strikers we've sold over the years for cheap money except Rooney.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
There's a very strong case for the point to be made, tbf. But I dont see Jelavic's situation as typical of it.
They might as well.
6 of the top 7 places in the league are held by the largest spenders on wages.
If Liverpool finish above us it will mean the top 6 places are held by the top 6 spenders.
Just like every year for the last 6 with only Everton bucking the trend more than once.
Strikers we've bought and sold under Moyes:
Bent in for 450k out for £2.5m
Beattie in for £6m out for £4m
Johnson in for £8.5m out for £10.5m
McFadden in for £1.25m out for £4.75m
Beckford in for £0 out for £4m
Yakubu in for £11m out for £1m
Saha in for nominal fee out for £0 (swap loan with Pienaar so effectively not £0)
So profits on Beckford, McFadden, Johnson and Bent
Losses on Beattie and Yakubu
Not really that bad a record save for the big loss on Yakubu
ijjysmith
Calm
Thank christ for that.
njligernj
Player Valuation: £15m
Fair point. There have been a few "maybe Moyes isn't that great" articles lately but in general BK and the board still slide on by without comment. The more cynical amongst us might wonder if that is not a coincidence.
Well it sort of does ... if they were consistent then they'd cost 25m. A lot of them (Yak especially) had reps of being very streaky even before coming to us. Moyes could probably do a little better but there aren't a lot of managers who routinely have 20+ goal scoring strikers who don't just buy the finished article (hell a lot of times even the big money strikers don't work out). Strikers are a delicate bunch.
There are five players who on their current pace will reach 20+ (or have already):
L. Suarez (21)
R. van Persie (19)
G. Bale (16)
Michu (15)
D. Ba (15)
I know everyone is in love with Michu but it's one year. We have one player and one team every year who outperform and while sometimes it heralds the arrival of a permanent force it's often just a one-off.
Regardless, it's not a long list and aside from Michu it's not a list of players who were an option for us this year.
Felli is tied for seventh on the table and has scored more league goals than:
Fletcher, Le Fondre, Defoe, Berbatov, Mata, Giroud, Agüero, Kone, Podolski, Hernandez, Tevez, Hazard and Torres.
I know some of the above get rotated (and injured) but in general that's a lot of expensive goal scoring talent which hasn't scored significantly more than Jela and less than Felli.
Again, yes you do think we could do better but when you look around there just simply aren't a lot of players who can score 20+. Arsenal, City (maybe even Chelsea) might finish the year without a 20+ league scorer.
Ihaters
Player Valuation: £35m
Rubbish, its got to be easier to be at a club with infinite wedge and a wrold class team for you just to turn up and choose 11 world class players to win with, than year on year have the goal posts moved further and further away from you whilst the weight of expectation grows.
For Moyes his job gets harder not easier.
ToffeeMike
Player Valuation: £25m
Even though we had profits on some they are quite bad losses for the strikers we bought for a lot of money, Beckford for example we brought in for free and sold him for cheap money considering the great goals he scored the previous season.
Philw
Player Valuation: £50m
Someone mentioned Rooney's scoring dropping off after his first year - he's £25m world class player isn't he? And AJ and Yak cost £20M between them...
If a player is playing this badly and consistently missing chances he previously scored then surely his manager should be doing something to affect this?
Isn't this Moyes job, to manage his players, so that they perform to the best of their ability??
1. Not sure how that's relevant. Jelavic used to score for fun, now he's missing sitters. Don't really understand where finances comes into it???
2. Well i think they're actually 'moaning' because a player who scored 11 in sixteen last season is likely to score less than that in a full season this year. Where would we be in the league if he was scoring at a half decent rate this year? Tbh I'm getting a bit fed up of all these 'we should be happy we are where we are' appologists. We've had a good season so far, but it had (and still does, just) the potential to be a great one, and that is slowly being wasted. Yet people are expected to act as if everything is sunshine and roses....
People keep going on about 'maybe they were just gash all along and had one good season for us?' as if that's a defense of Moyes? Oh great, so your defense for him is that he spent £30-35M on **** strikers??? Glad we got that sorted, now I feel much better about the situation/next striker we buy!!
KopitesAreGobshi+es22
Player Valuation: £750k
Surprised no one has blamed Kenwright yet.
Running the channels shouldn't be making Jelavic have a bad first touch and miss very easy and fairly easy shots. Rat boy runs like a dog for the RS, might hate him as a human but he works hard runs the channels and takes his chances. Jelavic is just out of form badly at the moment. He may be Torres'd but we just have to hope he can turn it around as we can't be spunking money on a new forward to replace him when there's not much money and a thread bare squad.
Sideliner
Player Valuation: £5m
if Mr Moyes has not been able to scout or develop a descent regular striker in 11 years what are the chances he will do it in the next 11 -
which side in the PL has won anything without a descent striker ?
what are the chances of Everton winning anything then ?
i just don't want to support a mid-table side forever - sport is about winning isn't it ?
which side in the PL has won anything without a descent striker ?
what are the chances of Everton winning anything then ?
i just don't want to support a mid-table side forever - sport is about winning isn't it ?
......Imagine where we would be if we had a Bale or dare I say Suarez. I do think that money is a real factor when it comes to acquiring forwards. If Moyes did manage to unearth a gem, the demand for that quality inevitably means he would move on anyway - e.g. Rooney. We need investment to buy and keep forwards who will take us to the next level.
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